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EggDex Reward: Increased breeding odds for dex legendaries

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Riako
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 12:38 (3 Months ago)
Currently, there are two "problems":

- There is no reward for completing the EggDex. Nothing happens after you reach this achievement.
- The dex reward legendaries (Mewtwo, Deoxys, Arceus, ...) which you receive after completing the regional regular Pokedexes are breedable. This means that they are shiny-huntable via the daycare. But: Their breeding chances are very low and thus it takes much patience to hatch their shinies. Sometimes months.
In my opinion, their low breeding chances make sense. These are very special legendaries, they shouldn't be easy to shiny hunt like a regular Pokemon. Hunting them needs to be challenging.

But is it challenging to wait months for the shiny?
... Well, yes, it is a bit challenging, but it's most likely also a bit boring.

So here is my proposal:
After completing the EggDex of region X, your breeding chances for the dex reward of region X are increased by 300%. For example, if you complete the Sinnoh EggDex, your Arceus breeding chances are three-times as high.
This way, it is still not as easy to shiny hunt them, but you can actively work towards increasing your odds. In a challenging yet fun way.

Only problem:
Mewtwo is the dex reward of both Kanto and Johto. There my proposal is that you need to complete the Kanto EggDex and the Johto EggDex to get the sweet 300% bonus. If you only complete one of the two, you only have a 200% bonus.
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 12:45 (3 Months ago)
Support. This would be helpful to SM hunt those dex legendaries.
There is no really a purpose for completing our eggdex. This would incentivize ppl who want to complete their eggdex.
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 12:51 (3 Months ago)
Full support.
Also a thought:
Completing the dex for Alola means less time waiting for the Tall Grass and/or boosted Nebula Stone drop from Alola Rumble
Completing Johto means decreased cost for the Johto Legendaries in the game center instead of (or in addition to) Mewtwo
Completing Hoenn Dex means reduced Tall Grass waiting time on the Eon Eggs and the ability to choose which Lati@s egg drops from the Eon summon
Unova Completion: the weather legends calm down and are slower running around the safari zone. Maybe a boosted chance for White Powder missions to drop in the berry garden
Kalos: reduced cost in gem area for the Zygardes
Hisui: Completing the egg dex makes Enamorus breedable (maybe? Idk this one)


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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 12:52 (3 Months ago)
Could we get the eggdex stat for each individual dex, then? Right now it only shows your total eggdex for all dexes. :)

I'm assuming that would be part of the update but I wanted to ask for clarification! ♡

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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 12:53 (3 Months ago)
This sounds awesome, to be honest and would likely help alleviate a little of the frustration of these hunter. (and may make me consider hunting them some day)

Something similar would be great for the event pokemon hunts as well *hint hint*
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 13:09 (3 Months ago)
This sounds awesome! It gives the eggdex a purpose beyond bragging rights that benefits players! It would be nice if it also helped with the speed that it takes to get other legendaries as well, as stated by another user before. The Lati@s hunt in particular feels very daunting and is essentially 2 legendary hunts in one at this point. It would be great to see an eggdex reward change something for that. Maybe a total (all eggdex completion rather than regional) could impact the rest of the legendaries. It sounds unbalanced at first until you realize that there's an ever-growing number of eggdex entries, so even getting literally all eggdex entries would be a real accomplishment deserving of a massive reward.
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 13:28 (3 Months ago)
If this is implemented, it would be useful to have regional eggdex completion stats in our pokedex
Right now the only data is for global eggdex completion
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 13:42 (3 Months ago)
Full support.
Something to consider would be:
1) Magearna is still super difficult to come by and seems to be sold by the same people even after a year (referring to great ball and above)
2) Event breeding, can completing the egg dex of Emera also increase the chance of event eggs?
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 13:59 (3 Months ago)
Support

TheRockers beat me to it LOL, but I would propose it would up the event rate of events whose base forms are from that region as well (e.g chingling (daydream) = sinnoh eggdex, skarigami = johto eggdex)
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 14:14 (3 Months ago)
Poor Amelyanna 😭 Why didnt you make this suggestion earlier?

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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 14:26 (3 Months ago)
This would be nice and seconding what Meep or TheRockers said

Also, if this is implemented, the only worry I have is for certain mons with eggs such as the Regis with no other way to get besides doing the tunnels yourself. Some other chance to get their eggs could really help the unskilled users and users without a good memory since the timed way of it plays greatly against a handicap you can’t help. Hate adding a suggestion on top a suggestion, but if those could get turned into vouchers or find another chance to open up an opportunity to get the eggs for them, it’d be a nice addition. As every other Pokémon could be got by participating in an event, lab hunting, getting or paying for a voucher, etc except them as far as I know.
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Great idea, but… I just hope the Legendary Birds, Ditto and Calyrex’s Steeds won’t be included here. This would be pretty annoying if you actually needed to hatch four hyper rare Pokemon in order to get your 300% for Mewtwo.
I’ve been on this site for around 1.5 year and have never missed a single day. I guess I could say it’s my daily routine to go here. I’ve adopted a total of 1093 lab eggs and only ever got one lab legend, Moltres. This was also not so many days ago. If I had to get three more of Pokemon that are THIS rare, I think I’d prefer shiny hunting Mewtwo without the boost, and it’d still take less time than attempting to find them in the lab.
I’m aware that the gem collector exists, but getting 10-5k of certain gems for a single Pokemon looks like it’d take ages. Maybe I’m mistaken, but I think the gem collector prices are generally not very well balanced, especially when it comes to the Dragon-Common gem values. 8 Dragon Gems for one Goomy egg, while other Hard-rarity cost around 40 common ones per egg seems a bit weird, considering Dragon Gems are worth more than 5, let’s say, Fighting Gems. This combined with the fact how sought-after some kinds of gems are makes me think that the gem collector trades are only used for Dittos, SM hunts and unlocking Zygarde/Galar map.
tl;dr: Trying to get all four eggdexes for the legendary birds AND Ditto would take much longer than hunting Mewtwo without the boost.

The other thing I have an issue with would definitely be the Regis. I’m not a person who mastered the royal tunnel and still stuck on the Registeel quest, so even if I finally get that Ditto, my planned shiny hunt for Arceus will be painful.
I once saw a suggestion to turn the Regi eggs into vouchers, which would be great for people like me, who just don’t have enough knowledge in order to finish the royal tunnel quests. Especially the EHP/evo level questions, with me only answering them correctly when they’re obvious enough.

For now I’m staying neutral with this suggestion, as I’m still unsure if it would count those lab legends (I’ve been trying to get Spectrier for over a year) and Ditto. I hope this post didn’t take too much time to read, but I wanted to show some of my complaints.

Edit: Maybe instead of full EggDex, you would have to only complete a certain part of it? For example, 95%. This would solve both of the issues I had with it, while still making it challenging enough.

Edit 2: As @TheRockers said, Magearna should also be excluded from that, or at least the Poke / Great / Ultra / Masterball variants should be made more common. Both Great and Ultra forms belong to the Top 10 least common Pokemon on site, and I honestly find it pretty funny, as they’re still needed to complete the Alola Pokedex. The vouchers ARE tradeable, but they usually go for a ridiculous price of a few millions PD. I think there either should be a guaranteed chance for specific Magearna to appear (Masterball Magearna once a month, for example) or they should be moved from Alola Dex to Emera Dex, as they’re not 'canon' Pokemon, excluding Pokeball Magearna, which also would fit in the Emera dex quite well.
And what about Pokemon that were only obtainable from events, while also not being breedable? There are a couple of Pokemon (Enamorus, Wo-Chien, Paradox Donphans) that were only obtainable from an event that doesn’t have a guaranteed re-run, like Mew or Shaymin do. I wouldn’t mind doing the Paradox Pokemon breedable with a Ditto or giving Enamorus its own summon item like the other Forces of Nature already do, and I’m wondering if they’ll become obtainable again someday. Gimmighoul is an example of a Pokemon I think would just make sense to be breedable with a Ditto, and while I understand that Paradox Pokemon and Gimmighoul line aren’t breedable in mainline games, there is still no confirmation if they’ll become avalible ever again. Gimmighoul is most likely to have a re-run and the Paradoxes will most likely become a permanent quest later on, so I’m not as interested in them, but Wo-Chien doesn’t seem like it’ll ever get a re-run and Enamorus didn’t appear in the previous valentines event and I doubt it ever will.
Though this once again, is an issue that could be fixed with the '95%' rule I suggested.

Edit 3: This actually made me check out how many EggDex entried did I have in my dexes, and it turned out I’m only missing Hisuian Sneasel for my Hisui EggDex. Though, this makes me wonder… What would the reward for Hisui Dex be? This Dex doesn’t have it’s own Legendary Pokemon reward. Well, at least not in the traditional meaning of this word. So, I’m not exactly sure how would this work. Would it just make Dialga and Palkia breedable with a Ditto, cause they’re technically the Dex legends, or would Sinnoh and Hisui dex be like the Mewtwo situation, both giving a boost to Arceus breeding, as they’re technically the same region?
Making Dialga and Palkia breedable would help some people who really want to have shinies of these guys, but it wouldn’t make that much sense as they were never breedable on this site to begin with. The idea with it being a split-dex for Arceus like Johto and Kanto would be for Mewtwo is also a decent idea in my opinion, but seems a bit far-fetched considering that you don’t get one for completing the Hisui Dex. The most likely idea would probably be increaded odds for Hisui Pokemon breeding, but considering that there is not many of them, would it really be useful? They don’t really take that much to breed, so what would be the point of increasing it further? I think the most realistic would be a Hisuian Tall Grass upgrade, as you still can’t search for them. This would be particularly useful for people who want shinies of these guys, and ESPECIALLY Hisuian Voltorb. In order to get one if you don’t have a Ditto, you have to either Tall Grass shiny hunt regular Voltorb and then use Azure Flute on it, or just buy one from another person. Both options are very expensive.

And if we’re talking about Tall Grass, maybe the EggDex rewards could also allow people to search for those in Tall Grass, in case they have the Legendary Chip? This would make shiny hunting these possible for people who don’t have a Ditto. I still find it pretty annoying that I can’t hunt these until I get that overly-expensive jelly blob. But hey, these are just my ideas.

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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 15:09 (3 Months ago)
Relevant commentary about Gem costs: I think collecting gems are part and parcel of the eggdex experience, the same way that every dex has its own challenges: theres Unown breeding, or waiting for the Castforms, or the Magearnas (though I think they're quite unfair too)

However! Gem prices have fluctuated a lot since the 2017-2018 period. Previously most gems cost around 500PD, the legendary bird gems were around 800-1000PD, and Normal Gems were about 1000PD (Fairy was about 2500-3000 and Dragon about 50000)

Collecting gems for the legendary birds and Ditto was certainly possible last time, but many relevant gems (Ice, Ghost, Flying, Electric and Fire) have almost doubled or tripled in price, which means that all the Kanto dex legends would be... Several tens of millions of PD? More than I spent on my Shiny Mesprit, certainly

I imagine the full eggdex for the Kalos legends are going to be pretty painful too

In case this info is helpful to discussions about this concept. I think Drakonia has a point, maybe every Eggdex except 3 per region? Then players can decide which eggdex to go for
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 15:42 (3 Months ago)
How about receiving a prize after certain percentage of egg dex completion

Like

Prize 1 for 10~20% egg dex

Prize 2 for 30~40%

Prize 3 for 60~90%

Prize 4 for 100% completion. (your breeding chances for the dex reward of region X are increased by 300%.)


The higher the percentage the better the Prize that way people can be motivated to complete their egg dex at a certain percentage for the ones who struggle to get 100%.


I think people will be more interested to get 1 year premium as a Prize for 100% egg dex completion cause it does take a long time to complete your pokedex (especially getting the legendaries) and some people might not be interested hunting those pokemons and might prefer to SM hunt their favourite pokemon.

Maybe you can add premium as a Prize for completing certain amount of regions (example, complete 2 regions 100% with egg dex you get 1 year premium)


Anyways I support!
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 16:32 (3 Months ago)
whoa,riako making a suggestion?! a trillion percent yes dude,a 1000% full support ♥
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 17:23 (3 Months ago)
Can we get a boost with events too? Just about the same scenario...
Riako
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 18:55 (3 Months ago)
I see some comments saying that certain Pokemon should be excluded from the EggDex count.

I personally disagree with this. We are talking about shiny hunting literally the ultimate Pokemon. Mewtwo, Deoxys, etc. are meant to be the ultimate rewards for the Dex.
If someone really reaches the point where shiny Arceus (or the others) becomes a serious concern for their collection (e.g. shiny Dex), then I'm convinced that they're also able to get their hands on a ditto egg, the Regi eggs etc.

For some, these are hard to get, sure. But none of them are impossible.
And again: hunting these shiny Dex rewards is like the "ultimate long-term goal". It's not something a player should aim towards after "only" a few hundred hours of game time.
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Posted: Thu, 05/09/2024 22:38 (3 Months ago)
Quote from Riako Only problem:
Mewtwo is the dex reward of both Kanto and Johto. There my proposal is that you need to complete the Kanto EggDex and the Johto EggDex to get the sweet 300% bonus. If you only complete one of the two, you only have a 200% bonus.


Wouldn't it be 150% for only one of the two being completed? That makes more sense to me. :P
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Posted: Fri, 06/09/2024 00:00 (3 Months ago)
QuoteMewtwo is the dex reward of both Kanto and Johto. There my proposal is that you need to complete the Kanto EggDex and the Johto EggDex to get the sweet 300% bonus. If you only complete one of the two, you only have a 200% bonus.


I think it would be better if it would be an additional 300% when u first complete one of the kanto/johto eggdex, then another 150% when u complete the other dex.
There are two SM mewtwos to shiny hunt. Thus, i think it would be just be fair if their breeding chance bonus would be higher than the other dex legendaries.
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Posted: Fri, 06/09/2024 06:15 (3 Months ago)
I support this. As someone who is currently going through and shiny hunting every Unova Pokémon, this would seriously help for my eventual Genesect hunt!