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Quote from Riako

I see some comments saying that certain Pokemon should be excluded from the EggDex count.

I personally disagree with this. We are talking about shiny hunting literally the ultimate Pokemon. Mewtwo, Deoxys, etc. are meant to be the ultimate rewards for the Dex.
If someone really reaches the point where shiny Arceus (or the others) becomes a serious concern for their collection (e.g. shiny Dex), then I'm convinced that they're also able to get their hands on a ditto egg, the Regi eggs etc.

For some, these are hard to get, sure. But none of them are impossible.
And again: hunting these shiny Dex rewards is like the "ultimate long-term goal". It's not something a player should aim towards after "only" a few hundred hours of game time

Full agree. I also think that excluding certain eggdexes wouldn't be a good idea.

I'm aware that some of the eggdexes can be tricky to be obtained (like magearna or some gem legends) but we don't have to forget that this is a boost reward. You can still hunt those legends without the boost, but slower.

There are plenty of species to hunt before these legends and, under my point of view, this boost is thought for those who completed most part of the goals in game.

Also excluding them, just because they are hard to get, will just make it easy for everyone to obtain the boosts.


It's meant to be challenging, that's why there are some people (like me) try and get 100% egg dex for each region so it feels like you fully completed it. Or even more challenging get 100% OT for all of the mons.

If the game becomes too easy, people will get bored. People who have completed all their pokedex can now have another goal if this gets implemented.

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I don't think ANY eggs should be excluded from the percentage. For pretty much the same reason others have been saying.

If you do a prize for every eggdex section, then I think the ever asked for increased event breeding chance for the Emera eggdex would be great. There's no reward for the regular completion, but people who have the eggdex completed for that are more likely to be the people who are shiny/SM hunting events.

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Note aside regarding the suggestion some people did in comments about eggdex reward for emera pokemon:
I full agree that an increased event breeding chance for the Emera eggdex would be great. But I see a couple problems on it:

1) Unlike regional pokedexes, Emera pokemon are always growing with every new event release. So, the best way to implement it would be to set an specific amount of eggdexes to accomplish the reward for this specific region.

2) There are still some pokemon whose eggdex are unobtainable (color magikarps mostly, because retro tentacool belongs to a different group). Giving them a way to be obtained or deleting their eggdex would be required.

May I add a suggestion for retro and emera eggdex rewards? As of the moment we have 37 retro eggdex and 195 emera eggdex (183 excluding the colored karps).

Maybe for every 5 retro eggdex entries, the shiny chance for retro (currently 2%) will increase by 0.1% or 0.05%. With 35 entries, that would be a 2.7% or 2.35% shiny chance

As for emera eggdex, there is another suggestion about a way to increase the chance of getting event eggs.

The reward for the emera eggdex could be: every 20 eggdex entries could slightly increase event eggs chance (1% / 0.5%) OR shiny chance (0.05%). With 180 entries, the event egg chance increase would be 9% / 4.5%, while event shiny chance would be (with max chance pokeradar and shiny charm) 1.775% (non premium) / 3.2% (premium)

I think one of the problems this could cause is that emera mon could get more expensive, since now people have a reason to buy event breeding pairs, especially for new and/or inactive users. Also, for retros/unbreedable emeramon, it could encourage everyone to participate in the event for the egg instead of just buying from auction, but it's also troublesome for those who missed it, since that means they'd have to wait for a rerun, or buy the event egg from shop (like Santa birb and Shadow Lugia)

Bumping this with actual statistics on how ludicrous the Alola dex is at the moment. If it's almost impossible to have a living Alola dex right now, how are people going to be able to get a full Eggdex?

There are 28 Magearna Master Ball on site. This makes it the rarest Pokemon by frequency. In fact, Magearna Ultra Ball is only 3 places away, being the 4th rarest with 53 onsite.

Of the 10 people on Most Pokedex Entries, 4 have a full dex. Of the remaining 6, 5 are missing Magearna Master Ball.

A dex should not require two time-gated RNG Pokemon which are also both on the Lowest Frequency ranklist.

If not for the most established dex lending service on site having a Magearna MB, I think Alola dex would be flat out impossible for most. I think I'm allowed to say this because I won that voucher with a 2% chance (and a lot more people were trying to help get it too!) If not for the combined effort of a community, Alola dex would not be completable for a lot more people.

I agree that dexes should have an element of difficulty, but dex completion is an early to mid-game goal compared to SM or legend hunting. We shouldn't require that same level of spending for lategame goals like SM/shiny legend hunting (when it's intended to help with said goals), and the cost should not be several times higher than other complete dexes. And this will be much worse if we're talking about eggdex completion

Alola also happens to have Minior, which is arguably worse than Unown as their Event rarity means they're not available from lab or Gem Collector, and 24 legendary/Ultra Beast eggdexes, far more than any other dex (I did not include Type:Null though that will probably be part of the eggdex completion)

This shouldn't be implemented until the balance of the Alola dex can be fixed.

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Number of legendaries/expensive mons in every dex (Dex completion rewards not included)
Kanto: 5 (Mew, Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres, Ditto)
Johto: 6 (Celebi, Raikou, Entei, Suicune, Ho-Oh, Lugia)
Hoenn: 9 (Jirachi, Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latias, Latios, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza)
Sinnoh: 14 (Uxie, Azelf, Mesprit, Dialga, Palkia, Heatran, Regigigas, Giratina, Giratina (Origin), Cresselia, Manaphy, Darkrai, Shaymin, Shaymin (Sky))
Unova: 19 (Victini, Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Tornadus, Tornadus (Therian), Thundurus, Thundurus (Therian), Landorus, Landorus (Therian), Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyurem, White Kyurem, Black Kyurem, Keldeo, Keldeo (Resolute), Meloetta, Meloetta (Pirouette)
Kalos: 10 (Xerneas, Yveltal, Zygarde Core, Zygarde Cell, Zygarde 10%, Zygarde 50%, Zygarde Complete, Hoopa, Hoopa (Unbound), Volcanion)
Alola: 33 (Tapu Koko, Tapu Lele, Tapu Bulu, Tapu Fini, Cosmog, Cosmoem, Solgaleo, Lunala, Nihilego, Buzzwole, Pheromosa, Xurkitree, Celesteela, Kartana, Guzzlord, Poipole, Naganadel, Stakataka, Blacephalon, Necrozma, Necrozma (Dawn Wings), Necrozma (Dusk Mane), Ultra Necrozma, Magearna, Magearna (Poke Ball), Magearna (Great Ball), Magearna (Ultra Ball), Magearna (Master Ball), Marshadow, Zenith Marshadow, Zeraora, Meltan, Melmetal)
Galar: 16 (Zacian. Crowned Zacian, Zamazenta, Crowned Zamazenta, Eternatus, Kubfu, Urshifu (Rapid Strike), Urshifu (Single Strike), Zarude, Regieleki, Regidrago, Glastrier, Spectrier, Galarian Articuno, Galarian Zapdos, Galarian Moltres)

Hisui Dex is tiny and hence not included. I do think I can confidently say that two Enamorus plus all the Celestica Flutes and Black Augurite and Peat Block etc will not cost more than 5 million PD

Full support!
Big achievements call for considerable rewards (otherwise it wouldn't be a game it'd be like uhhhh real life? Maybe?)
For what MeepTheMareep02 said, that is a valid point, however instead of putting it off completely I would suggest one of two things-
1) It could be released for other all other regions excluding Alola first, until this balancing issue can be addressed
2) The alternate Pokeball Magearna's (Great, Ultra and Master) could be moved to Emera dex. It has always surprised me that that is not already in the Emera Dex, as these forms aren't in any Pokemon games. Actually, I'm surprised that Pokeball Magearna in general is in the Alolan Dex, since it is only obtainable as an event mon in the games! I don't think anyone would object to these mons, currently RNG-locked, being moved to a Emera dex rather than being in a non-growing regional dex

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Nitpicky sidenote, please ignore me

Quote from Riako

are increased by 300%. For example, if you complete the Sinnoh EggDex, your Arceus breeding chances are three-times as high.

Slightly confusing, increased by 300% is x4, but if you say increased by a factor of 300%, then it would be x3, but you provided the example to clarify, it's kinda a moot point and I don't think anyone was confused by this so- I'm going to stop talking now

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One thing I was thinking about this suggestion that could round it and will help towards those small problems mentioned before such as both mewtwo rewards, emera dex and some others...

In origin It was proposed to raise by 300% the breeding chances of the legend belonging to the completed regional dex but, what if the boost were made smaller but cumulative? Let me do a further explanation:

In the original idea the breeding boost was working this way:
- Completing Hoenn eggdex will increase by +300% breeding chances for Deoxys
- Completing Sinnoh eggdex will increase by +300% breeding chances for Arceus
- And so on

What I'm proposing to do is:
- Completing Hoenn eggdex will increase by +30% breeding chances for ALL dex legendaries
- Completing Sinnoh eggdex will increase by +30% breeding chances for ALL dex legendaries
(I've said 30% cos, at this moment, we have 10 official regional dexes if we count Hisui. So 10 regions x 30% = 300% what fits with main post from Riako, but it could be 50% or whatever)

This way, every dex completion will help to all dex legendaries and the more regions completed the higher the boost would be.

And as additional improvements:
- It would solve the problem of Kanto and Johto that both has mewtwo as reward.
- Those regions with harder to get pokemon, like alola and their magearnas, would also be boosted without the need to complete that specific region.
- It adds an use to the eggdex completion of Hisui, that doesn't really have a legendary reward
- It leaves space to also add a breeding boost for events, without the need to complete the always growing emera dex

I think this "upgrade" of Riako's idea polish most the problems, if not all, stated in previous posts

@loketoke: Your idea definitely makes sense.
One problem with your proposed change, however, is that legendary breeding would not make too much sense after finishing only a handful of regional dexes. The chances would still be comparatively small. As a player, I would always have in the back of my mind: "I could have even higher chances if I completed a few more dexes". Legendary hunting would make most sense (and to some players: would make only sense) after completing all dexes.
My suggestion, on the other hand, introduces useful "milestones". Every time you finish just one regional dex, you are ready to "reward" yourself with a legendary hunt.

@Riako Then I have another suggestion.
What if you separate the eggdex milestones between normal and legend pokemon (+Ditto and Magearnas)? If you get the eggdex of every non-legend pokemon in the dex, you will get a 150-200% increase in breeding chance. To get the other 100-150%, you have to complete the eggdex entries of all legends in that dex. This way, players can still enjoy a breeding boost and do a legend hunt without having to stress themselves over getting trouble egg dex of troublesome legends. Of course, they will still feel motivated to get the egg dex of legends in order to complete the 300% boost

@Himari:

Basically same two reasons:

Quote from Riako

I see some comments saying that certain Pokemon should be excluded from the EggDex count.

I personally disagree with this. We are talking about shiny hunting literally the ultimate Pokemon. Mewtwo, Deoxys, etc. are meant to be the ultimate rewards for the Dex.
If someone really reaches the point where shiny Arceus (or the others) becomes a serious concern for their collection (e.g. shiny Dex), then I'm convinced that they're also able to get their hands on a ditto egg, the Regi eggs etc.

Quote from Riako

As a player, I would always have in the back of my mind: "I could have even higher chances if I completed a few more dexes". Legendary hunting would make most sense (and to some players: would make only sense) after completing all dexes.

I still don't see why someone would want to do the shiny legend hunt with a lower breeding boost when "all they need" is two/three more eggdexes.

Yes, not every eggdex is easy to get. But there, my first quoted argument/opinion still stands. (Shiny) dex legends are the ultimate reward, not some "good enough 95% effort" reward.

I do support this suggestion but I think it’s strange that some eggdexes are so hard to get compared to others. Talking about Alola specifically. I’m suprised that the Magearnas, being a fanmade Pokemon, are even a part of it and not the Emera dex. There are less than 30 Master Ball Magearnas on site and I think that’s saying something. It feels not worth it for a simple breeding boost imo, I’d prefer hunting them normally than getting all of the Magearna entries.

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Well, I find interesting any of both ideas, yours or mine.
If there's something that made me stay away from dex legend hunts until now is that I don't wanna repeat a hunt like Arceus that took me 4 months just for 2 shinies. Regardless the crappy chain (Shiny Chain: 2/255 [155][254]), it was desperating to be without any single egg to hatch most part of the time.

Now if it is a huge boost but local or a smaller and cumulative boost but global, it is up to you *shrugs*


Maybe to decide what's best, you could check the eggdex completion data from userbase to see what's more doable for the average player

Support! Even tho I didnt complete any regional dex yet, this will still be a good update for other players :D

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Quote from Riako

As a player, I would always have in the back of my mind: "I could have even higher chances if I completed a few more dexes". Legendary hunting would make most sense (and to some players: would make only sense) after completing all dexes.

Well...you've also said that you don't understand the point of using gems for hunts (due to the cost) even though that considered standard practice now :v

For the average player who only wants to hunt their absolute favourites, they might only want to do the easier eggdexes if they don't plan to shiny hunt all the dex legends. It's not a matter of "I could have a better chance if I waited" but "is the better chance worth spending so much more time and resources"

It's the same game of balance with doing SM hunts with gems or without: you're still paying for flutes, premium, maybe even mega cuffs if you choose not to use gems. Is it worth the extra time?