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iGod
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Posted: Tue, 31/10/2017 22:06 (6 Years ago)
I didn't see this in my quick skim, so here it is.

On index, once a new egg hatches, a new one takes it's spot.
When it comes to the Pokemon, if its released we're stuck waiting the left over time for a new one.

So my suggestion is to allow new Pokemon to fill the slot of the released Pokemon.

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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 03:26 (6 Years ago)
I don't really know, maybe it's just hard for the servers? But every 5 minutes is probably one of the best numbers, it's short and is countable. Now lets say someone releases it, do you want to ruin everything by now saying it starts at 5:03 because it usually always resets every 5 minutes? Because if you're saying make it stay every multiple of 5 is giving other people only like 2 minutes if someone release a pokemon. Which is something someone would argue about.

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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 10:56 (6 Years ago)
Mrinja said it all- though i'm not 100% sure if the Pokémon on the Index Page stay for 5 minutes, i'm going to use that as an example.

1. I think it would be very hard for the servers to automatically fill the space of a released Pokémon. How would it choose another Pokémon? I think the servers just choosing another Pokémon from users who already interacted would take up lots of time.
2. The times would indeed get mixed up, I would think. Every time somebody releases a Pokémon in a time before 5 minutes, would it change? Like if at 12:02 it changed, then 12:07, then if somebody released a Pokémon would it change again and again?
3. It would deter people from interacting on the Index Page, knowing that their Pokémon could only be up for a couple minutes- or less than a minute compared to five minutes.
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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 13:05 (6 Years ago)
How could times for the Pokemon get messed up when the time for eggs doesn't?

People aren't crying because their eggs only get 15 seconds on index. So why would it matter of their Pokemon only gets a little bit of time like eggs?

If people are really worried about getting a full 5 minutes on index. Then something is wrong.

With it refilling upon release would give more chances for people to get on index.

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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 16:24 (6 Years ago)
Look people don't want 15 seconds, I don't want to check the index every 15 seconds, just so I can be in the index while other people probably forgot. Yes it gives more chances, but it's not like it's still fair for everyone.

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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 16:29 (6 Years ago)
I am supporting. I get really annoyed when a person releases a pokemon just after it gets on the index. 5 minutes waste just waiting when a new pokemon comes.

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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 17:09 (6 Years ago)
I support.

I understand people releasing Pokémon when they are hunting, they don't want to hold onto the Pokémon, but it get featured. Then there is no Pokémon to feed a free berry to.

If it works out like the eggs, then there shouldn't be an issue. From what I have seen, people release the Pokémon with the first 2 minutes of it being on the index, so it wouldn't be for just 15 seconds that its up there. It would be for longer. I haven't seen anyone release a Pokémon that is featured if there was less than a minute on the index.
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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 21:16 (6 Years ago)
Well, using the argument that something is just wrong with somebody because they are worried that their Pokémon will get a short time on the Index Page just isn't really a valid point, if that's what you're saying when you say "If people are really worried about getting a full 5 minutes on index. Then something is wrong." And yes, it would be unfair if someone hoped for 5 minutes, but got 2, or 3, or 1 minute instead.

And if you would like to use the argument that it doesn't matter how much time a Pokémon gets on the Index Page- at least they get time on the Index Page, can't I just use that to say that it doesn't matter if you have to wait 15 seconds, 2 minutes, whatever for a new Pokémon- so its fair for everyone? Saying that even if a Pokémon got 15 seconds or 2 minutes or something can be countered with the fact that we can all just wait until the next round of Pokémon are up.


And yes, sometimes people would probably release their Pokémon two or so minutes in. But sometimes- at least a couple times- people would release their Pokémon soon before 5 minutes is up. Its bound to happen, with so many users.

I am not 100% sure if eggs do get switched out on the Index Page, however. If they are, I would only assume it's just easier for the system. My points still stand in my eyes.
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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 21:53 (6 Years ago)
Very hard for the servers to automatically fill the space of a released Pokémon?

That's cute.

A script used to handle that would not only be very simple to create, but it wouldn't be of stress on any web server for a fact.

Just wanted to point that out since people seem to be lacking knowledge with how things work.


Anyways, how about a better and more simple solution, just don't allow Pokémon to be released if they are currently on the Index page?

It would stop with people crying about this issue, and there would always be 2 Pokémon/eggs to interact with every 5 minutes up on the index (given you haven't interacted with them prior during the day).

It's not like people are urgently wanting to release Pokémon 24/7 anyways. Also, given that this idea would pass would mean that only up to 2 Pokémon wouldn't be able to be released at any given time in the span of a given 5 minutes. It would be highly unlikely there would be any legitimate complaints of people just wanting to actually go release a Pokémon if it just so happens to be up on the Index page, besides just wanting to be trolls. Even if they want to release, they can just wait the remaining time out where it would leave the Index page.

I don't see any drawbacks to it.

Everyone would get their 5 full minutes on the Index page, it would be entirely fair for everyone.



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Posted: Wed, 01/11/2017 22:14 (6 Years ago)
@Ephenia

About the first part you said about the servers, since your profile says you're a programmer and I'm just a 13 year old XD. Would sensing if the index page of a pokemon being released stress the servers?

About your solution,
There is always the possibility of someone having a pokemon they want to release for space in their storage, since it could've been a pokemon that has just been hatched and they want to release it immediately for a new egg because they found a really good egg in the lab.But they have to wait 5 minutes allowing someone to steal a ditto egg or something. It's still really frustrating to those people.

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Posted: Thu, 02/11/2017 04:05 (6 Years ago)
I'm not sure what you're particularly asking, but I went over how it wouldn't be of any stress for a fact. Not really going to get into the nitty gritty of everything, since I get it how people aren't tech savvy.

I just think it's silly to say that such a thing will cause stress when there's clearly a lot of other timers and things that the web servers handle already.

You seen how fast people spam adopting eggs in the lab at times for example, and how new eggs are constantly being randomly generated back in. I don't think much else needs to be said about the subject.

Quote from MrinjaThere is always the possibility of someone having a pokemon they want to release for space in their storage


What I already had said:

Quote from Epheniawould mean that only up to 2 Pokémon wouldn't be able to be released at any given time in the span of a given 5 minutes


Quote from Ephenia Even if they want to release, they can just wait the remaining time out where it would leave the Index page.


1 or 2 possible Pokémon out of all the Pokémon in the entirety of the game not being able to be released at any given time isn't going to kill anyone.

People aren't going to have legitimate complaints about this when Index Pokémon cycle every 5 minutes anyway.

The storage space is irrelevant, especially when there's tons of it available to use at our own disposal.

Quote from Mrinjasince it could've been a pokemon that has just been hatched and they want to release it immediately for a new egg because they found a really good egg in the lab


They can always transfer it out of their party into storage.

It's just as time costly too, just as releasing would be.

Storage space is relevant for this part of the argument, especially when there's tons of it to use at our own disposal.

Not like they have to release the Pokémon the immediately, they can wait until their egg/Pokémon is off of the Index page, then do so if they wish to.

Quote from MrinjaBut they have to wait 5 minutes allowing someone to steal a ditto egg or something. It's still really frustrating to those people.


They wouldn't have to.



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Posted: Thu, 02/11/2017 04:37 (6 Years ago)
I agree entirely with Ephenia. Also, I think if a new user shows up on PH, it's probably better to have a useless Pokemon on the Index page then no Pokemon at all.


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Posted: Sat, 04/11/2017 10:31 (6 Years ago)
I'd just like to clear up/add that hatched eggs do get replaced by new eggs, before the 5 minute mark, to give every egg a chance to get on the Index. They don't get the full 5 minutes, because the timer doesn't reset, but they do get some EHP which helps them along.
Is there any reason why, exactly, this wouldn't be possible for the pokémon as well?

Isn't getting some index-interaction [potentially not for 5 whole minutes] better than getting no index-interactions at all?
You won't even need to camp at the Index-page to have a shot. Yes, being 100% certain that you clicked the pokémon does help (against stress mostly), but you simply need to have clicked the pokémon in the past. If you clicked them after reset, through clicklist, you still have a shot at getting on the Index-page, even though you haven't actually been on that specific page [yet].

Locking the egg & pokémon in, could force a stored egg to stay on the Index-page and get all these interactions that don't register and don't count. Is that more fair than giving a little less than 5 minutes to a pokémon?
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Posted: Sat, 04/11/2017 16:08 (6 Years ago)
Quote from CatLadyIs there any reason why, exactly, this wouldn't be possible for the pokémon as well?


More limited free berry feeds I guess is what you're getting at, just because eggs are getting switched out for another when they are full EHP?

Possible? Yes.

The idea? Just no.

Quote from CatLadyIsn't getting some index-interaction [potentially not for 5 whole minutes] better than getting no index-interactions at all?


Sure, but with how this system is, it could be improved upon to make it more fair for everyone, and that's the point here.

Just like when people release Pokémon on the Index page, people can't interact with it any longer, it ruins the fun, and it's not fair just based on how the system works.

Quote from Chosen PokémonThey are replaced every five minutes with other random Pokémon or egg whose owner has interacted with the previous chosen Pokémon.

http://wiki.pokeheroes.com/wiki/Chosen_Pok%C3%A9mon


Given it still pulls the next person from the list of interactors from that released Pokémon, simply makes it unfair for people trying to interact and trying and get on the Index page next. Unless, it just picks an entirely new random person if the Pokémon was released instead. This is a big part of why locking could be good, and why it could further justify making that be a potential feature.

Anyways, for Pokémon up on Index it's fair (since they are always getting 5 minutes if not released), but eggs it's not if they reach their max EHP before they are off Index. They are replaced with another instead, meaning they are missing out on some potential free berry feeds as a newly hatched Pokémon they could of had.

Quote from CatLadyLocking the egg & pokémon in, could force a stored egg to stay on the Index-page and get all these interactions that don't register and don't count. Is that more fair than giving a little less than 5 minutes to a pokémon?


Huh?

The egg could just be replaced with the hatched Pokémon coming out of said egg for the remainder time instead. That way every egg/Pokémon gets an equal amount of time, and makes most of this luck-based system for everyone.

Not sure why that's not a thing already, and it would make more sense to do.



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Posted: Sat, 04/11/2017 16:57 (6 Years ago)
Quote from EpheniaThe idea? Just no.

Not exactly a reason, is it ^^'

Quote from EpheniaJust like when people release Pokémon on the Index page, people can't interact with it any longer, it ruins the fun, and it's not fair just based on how the system works.

I agree that letting those minutes simply go to waste is not fair. There are plenty of pokémon competing for a spot on the Index-page. A released pokémon takes away a spot and gives nothing in return.
However, if I had to choose between a pokémon not getting their turn in the spotlight and an egg not getting a turn in the spotlight, I'd rather optimize it to give as many eggs a turn than to give as many pokémon a turn. Eggs only have the Index-page for that little extra boost, while pokémon can also benefit from Rare Candies.

Quote from EpheniaThe egg could just be replaced with the hatched Pokémon coming out of said egg for the remainder time instead. That way every egg/Pokémon gets an equal amount of time, and makes most of this luck-based system for everyone.

I think you misunderstood my use of 'stored egg'?
There is an egg storage and eggs that you don't want to see hatched yet, can be put in a specially designed box that stops interactions from getting through. Especially useful if you accidentally adopted an egg that would break your chain while shiny hunting.
An egg that was put in the storage box, while it's on the Index-page, gets replaced by another egg, just as if it was hatched [or at least it should...]
Having the egg locked, would stop that switch from happening and any interactions given to the egg on the Index-page, would not be registered and would thus not count towards 'interactions' made. Which I think is a whole lot less fair than having an egg or pokémon have less than the total 5 minutes.
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Posted: Sat, 04/11/2017 17:28 (6 Years ago)
Quote from CatLadyI'd rather optimize it to give as many eggs a turn than to give as many pokémon a turn.


I'd rather give eggs/Pokémon an equal opportunity to be up on Index for the same amount of time.

Quote from CatLadyEggs only have the Index-page for that little extra boost, while pokémon can also benefit from Rare Candies.


Not everyone has said Rare Candies to spend. Also, you could very well say that's a good reason those who interact with Index Pokémon, so their Pokémon can get up there for free berries so they can gain levels easier.

There's a good reason why people tend to keep their highest leveled Pokémon in the first slot of their parties.

Quote from CatLadyHaving the egg locked, would stop that switch from happening and any interactions given to the egg on the Index-page, would not be registered and would thus not count towards 'interactions' made. Which I think is a whole lot less fair than having an egg or pokémon have less than the total 5 minutes.


I see what you're saying.

Eggs wouldn't really be affected by locking like that, I should of been more specific.

The lock mainly serves for Pokémon, so that they can't be released when they are up on Index. You would still be able to move eggs/Pokémon into storage if you want. If an egg gets moved into storage to prevent further EHP gain on it, then that egg could still stay up on Index, and interacts could still count for the sake of the system. Those interactions could also be made temporary for eggs in storage, solely to keep everything fair. They'll be removed once the egg leaves the Index page, and the next person is chosen.



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Posted: Sat, 11/11/2017 00:38 (6 Years ago)
Quote from CatLadyAn egg that was put in the storage box, while it's on the Index-page, gets replaced by another egg, just as if it was hatched [or at least it should...]


Actually, it doesn't. I've had this happen many times with Legendary eggs that I wanted to get half done to hatch them at a later date. I would put them into the Egg Storage box at 10k EHP, and it remained on the Index Page, hatching inside of the Storage Box once it reached max.
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Posted: Tue, 24/01/2023 10:17 (1 Year ago)
I want this so bad. We have the Oak race challenge, so even a few seconds could raise the level of the challenged mon.
or for people trying to fulfill their hourly task also benefits for it.

i hope the storage box one gets fixed tho.


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Posted: Fri, 10/02/2023 17:36 (1 Year ago)
I totally agree with ABSBOR. This should be implemented because of the Prof. Oak quest. Even if it's a couple seconds it's still something
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