Forum Thread

In my opinion, this update is just unnecessary.

It looks ugly. Some people's goal on this site, is to have a complete OT dex. This includes me. The reason for this, is that we have our own name on every collected mon, to show that we put a lot of effort into collecting them by ourself. With this update, there is now an extra name that we have to have as our own. Having a random user's name or some old professor’s name on the mon’s profile, just makes this harder than before. Now we're not able to use the tall grass for hunts, or the lab for dex. This makes it much more difficult for us OT Dex Collectors…

I recall that data was only meant to be collected from “a few weeks ago”. It appears that every single lab Pokémon now has rowan’s name on it…

It also appears that all Retro Togepi have the Daycare Owner as the breeder.

Like @solonium said, it just looks weird having a breeder on lab legendaries, even though they cannot be bred.

This update could also cause arguments over who owns special Pokemon from the tall grass, as @solonium also mentioned. For example: "I bred this SM. Give it back now!"

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List of possible suggestions:

- Remove the breeder info for just lab eggs. Like @LALVOE and @AlienSnowflake mentioned, first of all, it doesn’t really make sense. This is a reasonable compromise, at least we can still use the lab. It’d be preferred if the whole update is removed, but removing the breeder from lab eggs would be a minimum.

- Like @~razpberry suggested, there could be a setting to hide the breeder text from every pokemon that you own.

- Move the breeder info to the family tree page instead.

- Simply remove the whole thing. (In case anyone thinks this prevents you from seeing if the person you’re renting a daycare from is actually releasing eggs, you can technically already see this from the family tree.)

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Note - this is not intended to offend anyone. I apologise if it does.

Thread has received Mod approval and is now open for discussion.

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support
theres basically no use for it, why even add it?
as lycario mentioned in first post, we can alr use the family tree to check whether a person we rent their daycare from is releasing eggs

it'll also be annoying to see some random person's name on a pokemon we worked hard for, just cause we got it from tall grass

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Huge support. Honestly, this update had been limiting me since I can now only use the tallgrass for only the first forty pkmn of my shiny chain. After chain 40, i now literally need to depend on daycare or gem collector.

I also agree to remove the breeder info on lab eggs. I had three shinies removed from my journal since they have "professor rowan" stuck on their breeder info. Moreover, besides from collecting OT shinies, one of my goal here in PH is to complete my normal dex without breeding or using the gem collector. Hence, a lot of pkmn from my normal dex is from the lab. Having the "professor rowan" stuck in their profile kinda defeats the purpose of the goal since I now share my name with prof rowan on each of my pkmn registered in my normal dex.

Just as what stated in the post, there should be at least an option to hide the breeder info of each pkmn. In order to cater the goal of all userbase here in PH.

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Support! I wanna hunt SM swablu from tall grass, but I think that it looks so ugly on them! It makes me think that the SM is not worth or I got the SM with the help of the others and it makes the SM unworthy.

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Yeah, I want it toggleable. Personally I use it to stalk other Skarigami breeders :P, but considering the number of OT collectors onsite, this seems a bit unfair against some of the most dedicated players onsite

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Support!

I feel like it would make more sense to move it to the family tree. You can technically already see the original breeder through the family tree.

I also feel like you should remove this feature for some Pokemon. An example would be legendaries obtained from the lab.

Ex. This Moltres

We can't breed legendaries so it's just weird seeing that there is a breeder.

Plus, if I will do any hunts in the future, I do not want someone's name on a Pokemon that I worked hard for. It just lessens its worth and is an ugly sight. It might also start some stupid argument over who really owns a Pokemon (especially when that Pokemon is some super expensive Pokemon like an SM or smth).

I don't support this suggestion in whole, but I agree with the idea to move it into the family tree.

Let me explain my thought about this suggestion. :3
- The goal of an OT-Dex isn't endangered by the update at all, cause the OT is still the person who obtain and hatch the egg, so nothing has changed in that point. But I agree that it doesn't look that nice, if there is stated another username, too.
- As for lab eggs there is no need to collect data cause the simple code is: 'Obtained from the lab' means automaticly the breeder is Prof Rowan no matter how long ago, while 'Obtained from the Tall Grass/Daycare/GemCollector', needs to have data about the user who have breeded/exchanged it. That's why the senctence 'a few weeks ago' doesn't count for lab eggs.
- (this one is just my opinion) As breeding of Lab-Legys(same as Ditto) isn't possible for us, it's still fact that Rowan must have the eggs from somewhere, so I don't care, if he is the 'breeder' of a lab-pokemon just because we as user can't breed them. But I understand your point here.
- The example of 'your SM, give it back' doesn't work at all.
You may have breeded it in the daycare, but you have 24h to obtain the egg, after that it got released. The daycare works like that from the beginning of PH, nothing has changed this process in these almost 10 years, neither this 'Breeder'-Update. So when you don't obtain the egg, it goes to the tall grass where everyone can search for it. Means there is no right for you to say it's 'yours' anymore. Otherwise other users could say to you the same if you hatch a SM from Tall Grass wich weren't from you as breeder.
This also leads me to say I don't think a SM is worth less, when we got it from the Tall Grass, just because we now(!) know, who originally didn't obtain the egg from the daycare. It would mean, all SMs hatched from the Tall Grass would be worth less than from DC or GemC., cause the TG is mainly filled with eggs, wich aren't from ourself and it was always like that, nothing has changed. So the thought we haven't worked for the egg isn't true, cause we have searched for it. Or how was it before the breeder update? Did someone really were going to the TG with the thought 'oh no, now I have to search for eggs from another user.' or did we thought 'hopefully there are many eggs of pokemon x in the TG' fully knowing that these are 'not obtained daycare eggs' from other users and if there were none, we maybe directly ask other users to breed and release, so we can obtain these 'cuckoo'-eggs.

This whole text still doesn't mean I don't understand what you want to say.
It doesn't look nice, if there's stated another username, but it also doesn't annoy me that much. And I'm a bit confused why some users say we could see the breeder already in the family tree. That's not right, we can only see the breeder, if we're on the pokemon's page.

I just wanted to point out that the idea itself is partly good, but the 'reasons/explanations' are more personal opinions than facts wich makes this whole discussion very let me say emotional leaded.
I hope you understand what I mean with this on a neutral base. There is no offense or anything in my words.<3

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Supporting.

I like collecting my own OTs. Rn im staying away from the tall grass when i hunt

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@Crysticia

OT-collectors not affected -
Well, actually we are affected by this update. To me, OT is about fully obtaining the mon myself, which means that I don't want someone else's name to taint the mon's profile. Someone already has been affected by this (worse than me): [X]

Lab eggs -
Yes, I understand that the code is the reason for making all lab mons have Professor Rowan on it. But my point that it is kind of illogical still stands.

Tall Grass (SMs) -
While I personally wouldn't argue with someone that it was my SM, on the other hand, there are some (annoying and illogical) users who might, which would just cause unnecessary trouble.

As I've said before, the name 'taints' the mon's profile, or at least, in my opinion, so my personal value of it would be less.

Breeder already visible on family tree -
What I meant was that you can (indirectly) see the breeder from the family tree page. Just go to a profile of a mon, and see who owns the parents of that mon (however, this only works if the person who bred the mon didn't trade the breeding pair away).

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While having another username on the page may not 'annoy you', it does annoy us OT collectors.

This isn't "emotionally leaded" at all. While yes, I agree that it may be 'personal opinion'. But aren't most suggestions like that? Don't they provide QoL improvements to certain users? For example, the berrygarden suggestions - they won't affect users who don't use the berrygarden; with this logic, shouldn't they be considered personal opinion too? In a similar way, this suggestion would be a ('personal') QoL (re-)improvement for OT collectors.

(No offense intended)

i fully agree, since I plan on some sm hunts soon, and I feel the gem collector and daycare aree kind of expensive, so I prefer not use those, and then I feel like i didn't i worked to get hte egg. Since anyways, I can just buy many different shinies, but hunting for them would simply mean im trying to get hte ot. i want to have the ot, so that defeats the puprpose.

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Yeah, I agree. It should be removed for Pokemon found in particular places. Doesn't really make sense to have Professor Rowan's name on almost every Pokemon info page.

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Bump!

It seems that it is really impossible for me to collect full collection of shinies with me as the OT and the breeder.
Retro togepi even have the daycare man as the breeder. T_T

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Bump!

I totally agree with crysticia, go to any site, the breeder info WILL be there no matter if your suggestion gets an approval or not. It's how it works, kinda sad IK, but that's how Pokemon Breeding and finding tall grass eggs works (unlike how it's in the anime)


But I gotta agree to the Professor Rowan thing. It's kinda annoying you have a lab legendary and it's from Rowan, the ultimate professor in PH, like bruh. Remove his name and make it nature .

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Like Crysticia already said:

You ARE NOT affected if you want to go for your OT.

The source, wether its stated or not, is still the same. We just got more information now, which is actually nice, so we can see e.g. who is releasing eggs to the tall grass :)

I dont see the point about complaining about this like "It makes OT-Dexes harder" ehm...nope...if you keep it the same as before its still the same. --> If your poke was released to tall grass by another user before, thats the case wether or not its also shown on the profile of the poke.
Its actually more like a "bonus" --> you can go for an even harder goal, if you want to, but dont have to.

I have no problem with the option to "turn it off" or relocate it, if you dont want to see the truth.

BUT:

Technically it was the same before, the change was just that we can see it now. No big drama tbh.

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@zarkesh - as a perfectionist, its kinda visually unappealing. Just like users who want to collect OTs, there are users who also wants to go for a further mile and collect pkmns in which all ownership down to the source where that pkmn is caught will exclusively by that user alone, with no other users or npcs attached.
Though, i dont mean to give offense to anyone. XD

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I just think it's neat
A cool way to know releasing eggs into the wild makes an impact elsewhere

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Bump.

I like it, especially with tall grass eggs. It looks wierd when you hatch a SM from egg from tall grass and despite you were tha person who hatched it, OT is a random person who you don't even know.

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