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Decreasing Sweet output

Forum-Index Bug Reports Resolved Decreasing Sweet output
Milotic
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 14:16 (3 Years ago)
I would really be thrilled to compare, after this event has ended, between the used Nuggets during a past EOS Sale and the spent Nuggets from the Dream World during this Halloween Event.

Just to let numbers speak louder then any words :/
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 14:16 (3 Years ago)
I have to admit, it does feel impossible and having lame Aussie internet means for every 3 clicks I make, only one even counts so that's always been a discouraging thing for me and clicking in the first place. However, since EVERY other egg/item from previous years is available every Halloween, I'm going to assume the same will hold true for next year and that the SM will be available then too (if it's not, so be it *shrugs*) in which case, I will work harder throughout the year to build up more DP to help me next year since I don't think the 51k I currently have will be enough to help me this year.

Besides, you know what? Sure, the SM is nice but I think the normal is prettier with that gorgeous blue XD

Thank you for making a mega form of a very cool event pokemon available.

I am sad that I've probably beat my own interaction record this year with 33k interactions after spending the majority of 13 hours interacting (with small breaks) only to find out pd/sweets etc decrease but it's not like I can keep this up every day anyway >_>

That said, sale soon please? XD
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 14:21 (3 Years ago)
lol, come to think of it, it’s pretty understandable for the lower leveled users to not have the SM, and the megable seems really feasible too, so it’s a pretty balanced event
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 14:22 (3 Years ago)
I Think riako made a amazing event! . Its just that people need its SM and if u need its SM hunt it , to be honest hunting it is difficult than getting from the event halloween 😅

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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 14:24 (3 Years ago)
I agree with Zellane, if they will be available again next year then sure, I can just save DP until then.

However, I think my main concern is that I am going to be saving all my sweets until that last day (as I'm sure many other will), but what if I don't manage 150k? Would it be possible to change the eggs so that we can get more than one of a species every day? Or maybe just on the last day? I still want to go for 1OS shiny Marshadow :)
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 14:47 (3 Years ago)
Riako, will the shiny mega event be available again next year? (I am vacation from Sunday to Friday...)
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 15:11 (3 Years ago)
I think we should look at the perspective of all the other event shiny megas. Majority of them have less than 5 on site (if any at all), including the ones that have been here for 5+ years. They are super rare so getting one from this event should be just as hard as getting one from hunting, right?
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 15:14 (3 Years ago)
It's a little pay-to-win ish with the DP to candy feature. Apparently, some people have already gotten the Shiny Mega because they paid with their DP-- and yet clicking is being discouraged with a penalty and is "unfair".

I don't really know how to feel about that, but it's definitely discouraging.
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 15:27 (3 Years ago)
I know I’m the one who created this thread and all, but honestly it actually seems fair. 11 days of pain and grinding really doesn’t seem the same as the months or even years needed to grind for a shiny mega event. Nuggets can buy almost anything. That’s how the site worked for years. But this time, 1dp = 1 candy actually seems fair, after all, it’s not too much, and it gives those desperate for that 1st OS to get it quickly. Those will probably never be sold, therefore, it doesn’t affect others as much. Although it may be “pay to win” at a certain point, in the end, it doesn’t affect you, nor the game at all.
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Iridescent_Paradox
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 15:35 (3 Years ago)
If the reason for limiting interactions is caring about giving casual users a fair chance or leveling the playing field like stated, I don't see how the DP loophole does anything to support "fairness"


Sorry if I'm not really explaining myself well or anything, I'm not really in the mind to be arguing or disputing anything, but that's my thought on the matter :p
Windblown_Knight
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 16:04 (3 Years ago)
iri is right, it is a bit pay-to-win with the dp loophole, even if people who hoarded dp beforehand could get the shiny mega already without spending nuggets, in which case congrats to them for using the benefits of their activity before it gets punished for "fairness"
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 16:24 (3 Years ago)
Firdt of all, I think none of us players should be entitled to getting the Shiny Mega Event (!) without putting in a huge amount of effort/spending real money for the period of the event. It is meant as a reward for the most dedicated of players and compared to other SM Events, it is already so much more accessible than other SM events. The problem is just with people seeing the SM as the main reward of the event, while the main prize should be the normal Mega - the shiny is just an added challenge for the most hardcore of players.

That being said, I do not agree with the decrease in sweets for higher interections:

1. To ensure fairness for casual players: against this argument, I will just bring in the fact this penaalty is not applied to DP spent - which means that hardcores who have saved/are willing to spend money have an inherent edge over casual players for this. The free to play feature (interacting) gets penalized when the pay to win feature (DP) is not - this is contradictory with the fairness argument.

2. Health concern: I agree with this argument. People should not be spending their whole day clicking away - many are already experiencing wrist pains lol. However, given the limited time frame and the high amount of sweets required, the penalty will inadvertently increase the number of required interactions for the hardcore player who are hellbent on getting the SM. Thid oenalty therefore harms their health more than helping it.

3. Being punished for working harder is very discouraging in general. Seems very counterintuitive of a "feature"


Personally, I hope decrease in sweets is removed. I will not be grinding for the SM, but I thknk that is the fair options for those willing to put in the work. That being said, Riako is the admin who has access to all the statistics and definitely understands how to make a balanced but also rewarding reward so in the end I will agree with his decision. But I do hope he can take in the feedbacks about the current system and adjust if necessary.
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 16:32 (3 Years ago)
so doing the math...
you need 65 k interactions per day (lv 4, no bag)

This is an insane amount for people like me and others as well. I know you can upgrade and get more, but I am pretty sure the amount of candies won't increase by much. Especially for the people that play multiple games instead of just pokeheroes. Many games do Halloween events, so many players won't get many sweets and lose the chance of getting SM Cursed Ponyta
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Saladfish
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 17:14 (3 Years ago)
I don’t see the issue here at all. I’ve been pretty critical of features too reliant on RNG, of which PH still has major issues with: magearna, shiny megas, etc. This kind of event is exactly what a lot of us have asked for: hard work instead of RNG. I’d take 150k sweets for a shiny mega, heck even 200k, over the RNG hell we’d otherwise go through. The sweets output is fine imo, you have to pair it with other methods to optimize it.

I’m hoping we get more features based on effort like this. Magearna’s raffle really concerned me and still does with the insane luck required for the ball variants. But features like this event, gems for DP, etc. are incredible. (Edit: a sale would be a great companion to this event though!)
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 17:30 (3 Years ago)
@KrazyKarp

yeah paying with sweets to get an SM is a good idea, but 150 000 is too any for too little time
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 17:34 (3 Years ago)
I mean, it’s going to be difficult and time consuming. That’s how the effort thing works. It’s also tough to determine that right now. It’s still the beginning of the event, and it’s completely possible adjustments would be needed in the future. The numbers required for that decision don’t exist yet though, like I said, it’s too early.
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 18:21 (3 Years ago)
@KrazyKarp Definitely much prefer the effort aspect of this, compared to the RNG of Magearna which is possibly one of the most frustrating experience to collect lol. My only gripe is with the fact that hard work gets penalized from the reduction in sweets per click.
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 18:44 (3 Years ago)
I have spent more overall on my current event chain than it would cost me to buy the entire DP amount for the SM. I've probably spent double or more. That is the price an event SM costs if you are unlucky like me :)

I think the SM Cursed Rapidash price is totally reasonable. Cheaper than it had to be, even. The entire premise is it's supposed to be difficult and require hard work and dedication. If you don't like that... then don't do it?
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 19:41 (3 Years ago)
For some reason, it says i cant trick or treat
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Posted: Sat, 23/10/2021 20:15 (3 Years ago)
@What Nima Said--

That's unfair though for people who don't have the extra cash to spend, you can't use yourself as a precedent in that sense, as some people really don't have the money to do that


Edit: autocorrect out here to get me XP