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Okay, I’m not sure if this is a feature, but does it seem to anyone that the amount of sweets you get is slowly decreasing the more you interact? At the start, I easily got 1 sweet every 4 interactions, but now I’ve got to click 20 times to get 1. Is this normal?

Also, I find that the 150k sweets for the SM is rather unreasonable with this system. I’ve made more than 80k interactions today, only to obtain a measly 11k sweets. Multiply it by 11 days, I’ll only have 121k sweets at the end of the event. How is this reasonable? I can grind my butt off the whole day, and still not get close to the SM.

Would be great if the sweets obtained will not decrease the more you interact.

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The rewards (PD, GCC, Sweets or any other event items) you gain per interaction decrease with the amount of interactions you make per day. This is for fairness reasons (not everyone has the time/capabilities to make that many interactions; most hardly have time to do 10k interactions in one day, and this highly unbalances the game when some players progress 10- to 100-times as quickly as others. It discourages casual players) as well as for health reasons (we don't want to encourage our players to make that many clicks per day, actually. It's just not healthy).
Instead, we want to encourage our players to make between 10k and 50k'ish interactions per day - which is a doable as well as healthy amount. And 50k is, by the way, enough to get the SM from the current event (if you do it every day). Plus, you receive DPs from interacting as well, which also helps.

Also, regarding your comparably low numbers today: you have to consider that you also spend sweets today (on the upgrades), your first thousand'ish interactions didn't count much (because you didn't have the Large Candy Bag from the beginning), and your skill level starts rather low so you don't get too many sweets from Trick-or-treating on day 1. This will, however, increase.

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Well, if the system allows me to obtain the SM event if I interact 50k times per day, for the entire event, I’d be more than happy to grind 50k times. However, it doesn’t seem to be the case, as the event is 11 days long, and I’ve only obtained 11k(or 12 k in total, including the upgrades I bought) after interacting 80k times. That’ll bring me to 132 k candies at the end of the event, which is still 18k short. Which is why I wrote the post in the 1st place.

Unless, my luck today was just bad lol.

Here’s the proof of my interactions and sweets: sweets.
interactions

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Like I said, you'll receive more from trick or treating the further you progress, and you should also use the dream points you get from interacting.

Perhaps I phrased it a bit wrong there; I didn't mean to say that the sweets from interacting alone will be enough, but I'm saying that 50k interactions + Trick or Treating + Rumbling + DP from interacting will be enough.

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ahhhh I see, that makes more sense, I’ll give it a try, thanks!

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Riako, you contradict your own words. You say not everyone has time for that many interatcions, yet you encourage people to do between 10-50k interactions per day. At least PLEASE STOP rolling back upgrades and levels every Halloween! This would make this event much more fair than it is now! 150k Candies is ridiculous amount, especially with the fact that you DECREASE anount of candies people get for interacting a lot - it simply does not feel rewarding! By far, this Halloween is made much more stressful than it has to be, especially knowing it's shorter than last few years. Let everybody have a chance at shiny mega, and not just people willing to break their fingers/with too much money to spend on Dream Points.

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Well, I’m partially against not resetting upgrades and levels, as it gives the old users a pretty big advantage over the new users.

However, I tried to do some math, but for some reason, the numbers don’t add up.

I’ll exaggerate the amount per day since it’ll seem more fair

Interacting 50k times: around 10k sweets, more than expected, given my 80k interactions with 11k sweets: total 110k sweets at the end of the event

DP: Lets say we stretch it abit and say that you rake up 1k sweets per day sending plushies, that gives you 11k sweets.

Trick or treat: lets say you get 20 users to trick or treat per day, which gives you a average of 50 sweets per person. This gives you 1k sweets per day, which leads you to getting 10k sweets at the end.

Rumbling gives a really, really small amount, but I’ll assume it gives 5k for the entire event.

This leads you to 136k sweets at the end, which is really far from the 150k

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Quote from MelonNoodle

Riako, you contradict your own words. You say not everyone has time for that many interatcions, yet you encourage people to do between 10-50k interactions per day.

I didn't mean that we want to encourage everyone to make 50k per day. Otherwise I'd be saying that we want everyone to have the SM Event. And no, that's not what we want, obviously. You have to keep in mind that it's still a shiny mega. It still needs to be super rare. What's the alternative? Exactly: Shiny mega hunting it. Well good luck with that... At least we are giving you a doable hard challenge to get it without going through a SM hunt... The SM is certainly not a reward we want to give to everyone. Only to hardcore players, that's true.
But still we don't want players, who make 100-times more interactions than others (i.e. hardcore players) to have 100-times more rewards (or reward points) than casual players. We want them to have - let's say - 5-times (arbitrarily chosen number) as much rewards. Still higher, of course, as they put in more effort, but not so high that it'd unbalance things greatly.

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At least PLEASE STOP rolling back upgrades and levels every Halloween! This would make this event much more fair than it is now!

It would be fairer to you, maybe, but not to newer players. Imagine you are a newer player; wouldn't you also want the same (or at least almost same) chance as an experienced player? We certainly don't want to discourage new players from enjoying the game.
Plus, the skill level isn't reset entirely. It is reduced to 20% of your progress, so you are rewarded for being a long-time active member. Just not in an unfair way.

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150k Candies is ridiculous amount

Imo, it's not - like I said, the alternative is: Shiny mega hunt it. We didn't need to give you this opportunity; but we felt like it's a nice way so people can still get it. (Without spending money, by the way. I've also seen the mention of a "paywall" somewhere, and honestly this confuses me even more? There'd be a strong paywall if we made you shiny-mega hunt it from the Event Shop; but instead you can now gain it with hard work....)

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especially knowing it's shorter than last few years.

It's actually one day longer than last year's Halloween event... It started one day earlier and has the same end date.

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Let everybody have a chance at shiny mega, and not just people willing to break their fingers/with too much money to spend on Dream Points.

Chance, yes. I think everyone does have the chance. But you have to show effort. Again, this is a shiny mega event.

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it may be a little too much to ask, but maybe would could have an extra 1 day for the event XD? would give us a little slack to gather sweets

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Chewydabacca: Let's first wait how this event plays out over the next few days. I think there'll be plenty of users who get the SM (with hard work; not talking about spending nuggets). Plenty more than necessary, to be honest. Again: Shiny mega event.

I think the problem is that the reward simply exists - which makes everyone want to get it. People think they deserve the reward simply because it's available? Which no, it shouldn't... I can't say it often enough, but it's a shiny mega. The alternative is a very long and extremely expensive shiny mega hunt.
We didn't need to give you this (again: doable!) option. But I thought it's a very kind (and motivating/challenging) opportunity. Honestly, take it or leave it... But if you don't want to put in the effort for it, then there's plenty of other rewards available in this event which are aimed exactly to players like you.

I'd understand if we were talking about a Pokemon that everyone needs to - for example - complete their dex. A Pokemon which everyone should get. But no, we're not talking about this. We're talking about something completely optional; something that should have a very very high value and should be owned by a small number of people.

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haha, I guess you’re right. I’ll try my best then.

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Riako I think you forgot that not everyone has hours and hours of time daily to click for that.
I get it that the SM should stay rare but event shiny megas (outside from this event) are nearly impossible to get for the "normal" user who doesn't spend hundreds of DOLLARS for nuggets.
I really don't get why. You still have to do an insane amount of clicks to get the SM even if the sweets wouldn't decrease.
And I e.g. have to work 8h a day in my RL job btw. So that is not what I call "fair for everyone".

Also you should have stated that change in the first place. It really reminds me of those rigged games at the fair where you see the big teddy bear but it wasn't really possible to win it lol.

edit: and tbh. this whole thing demotivates me a lot

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Quote from Akemie

Riako I think you forgot that not everyone has hours and hours of time daily to click for that.

If you are not able to be active enough, why should you deserve a super rare prize which is aimed mostly to hardcore players...? Do you really want a shiny mega which literally everyone else owns? Where's the point in that?
If you don't have that much time, then just work towards the regular mega-able. That's what it's there for.

Also please stop implying that this is a paywall feature or anything. Like I said earlier, we're actually saving you from a huge paywall here - because the alternative is shiny mega hunting it from the event shop.
When I added the Dream Points to be a possibility for getting Sweets I frankly didn't even consider the nuggets behind it. I just thought it's a nice and fun way, because people like the Dream Shop and like to be encouraged sending plushies...
I personally really couldn't care less about the "DOLLARS" you mentioned in your post. We need money to run this site; but I personally have a well paying RL job and haven't touched a single penny from PH over the last few years. Not to mention that I'm the opposite of a money driven person; if anything, I'm inspired by minimalism... But anyway, I really don't see why this should be anyone's business.
I think it's a bit rude to imply that this is about money, when instead we tried to create new possibilities and new rewards which aren't boring to hardcore players on day 3.

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Riako, believe me, I would love to put effort, but you were even presented with calculations saying it MIGHT NOT be possible to achieve the goal you set.
It's incredibly discouraging to try to get it knowing it might not be possible without outside of site stuff like Autoclickers (and with the goal you set I believe you will see a spike in their usage on Pokeheroes, that can be said for sure), as well as knowing that clicking a lot doesn't feel rewarding, as the amount of candies decreases. And that is without saying that effort isn't the only thing, but also time, and many people even who can interact a lot simply will not be able to get it. Just because of lack of time.
I've been on this site since 2014, and I've seen a lot of things here. One of them is how Pokeheroes can fall and rise. This is certainly a fall when you overlook many people and pin your eyes only on hardcore players with TON of time, like Ecco was, making this reward be avaiable only to them.

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I am not mainly talking about me. I personally will get that SM 100%. I got more than enough nuggets and will just buy the last sweets with DP.
But I saw the "complains" from the community and from my friends. I am really not sure if it is possible to get the sm with "only" 50k clicks per day.
Also the points about paywall is just what I and a lot of others felt when learning about the sweets decreasing.
It is overall really discouraging. Sorry, if it sounded rude >w<'

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Akemie: It's alright, I don't mean to argue with you or anyone. This is a game, after all... :)
But anyway, I do still get how you (or your friends) are feeling. I think the problem is what I mentioned earlier:

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I think the problem is that the reward simply exists - which makes everyone want to get it. People think they deserve the reward simply because it's available?

The problem seems to be that everyone thinks they need to get it; and if they don't get it, they don't consider that fair. (And like I also said, if we're all being very honest, we don't really want there to be hundreds of SM Cursed Rapidash on site, do we? ... If we're being honest, we want that we ourselves own it but everyone else doesn't. Because the more users own it, the less it's worth. Compare it to the shiny Easter Event reward, for example. It's worth basically nothing.)
And that, however, I do now understand and will consider more in the future. I thought it's nice to add a new reward for our absolute hardcore players (who usually get bored after 3-4 days into an event when they've collected everything); but apparently this might demotivate those users who this reward wasn't even made for. Like I said, you don't need to have it...

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cmon guys, it’s really not that bad, Honestly, I really like this new opportunity, and I’ll like to see more of it in the future. Let’s at least try to get it and see how it plays out yea?

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Yea it's not that bad but not EVERYONE has time to click 50k just to get 150k sweets for 11days. Like me who is a student who doesn't have allowance to buy nuggets for me to spend on DP. And also Riako we don't get dps from interacting we get GAMECHIPS.

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Everyone its actually for people who really do hard work if u do want the SM just try to do the target right? why to complain about it .No one is forcing you that u have to get it no matter what.. Just try your best thats all :)

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No, no reset of items! This event is to make people go more active here, if I am right, also this game acts like first come, first serve. Also @FreeHugz, you get dp for a set amount of interactions like 100, 500 and 5000. And I totally agree with @FluffyStar

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