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Remove / Change the Tax Levy

Forum-Index Suggestions Rejected Remove / Change the Tax Levy
MetalHeadKendra
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Posted: Mon, 14/01/2019 15:45 (5 Years ago)
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Tax

/taks/
noun
plural noun: taxes
1. a compulsory contribution to state revenue, levied by the government on workers' income and business profits, or added to the cost of some goods, services, and transactions.

2. a strain or heavy demand.
"a heavy tax on the reader's attention"

There really is no point for it, and I have no clue why it's there to begin with.
Pokeheroes doesn't have it's own weird government or business profits in/on the site.
The digital currency doesn't go anywhere except between user to user or to the shops.
It's difficult enough to spend so much time and scrounge up enough PD to trade for valuable items.
PD gets traded for items, Pokémon, or nuggets (all of which do not have any levy), so why does the person paying in PD need to spend more when the other doesn't?

I can understand someone making multiple of the same trade in the GTS is a pain.
So maybe as an alternate solution, each user can have up to three to five public trades open before paying a fee or "tax levy" for additional trade slots.
Other possible options or ideas are giving an additional bonus slot to those with Premium (more features for premium) and/or paying with nuggets to get another permanent trade slot like the Wonder Trade Gold Card

Just my suggestion and ideas on the matter. Remove the Tax Levy.
JosieThePanda
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Posted: Mon, 14/01/2019 15:56 (5 Years ago)
No.
I think this is to prevent sending mass amounts to another account (double accounting) and to stop mass saving
(Gifting pd to yourself)
If they are to do what you suggest, it should be all or nothing. Don’t just change it to 5% Many disappointments will come out
MetalHeadKendra
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Posted: Mon, 14/01/2019 16:11 (5 Years ago)
Double accounting is against the rules, and if someone was found with more than one account, all accounts would be stopped. I don't see how a 5% levy affects anything to do with multiple accounts, it doesn't "prevent" anything.
I'm not understanding your second sentence, "Don't just change it to a 5%" because it's already at that stage. We already have to do a 5% tax levy to any trades involving Pokedollar.

RoyalGecko
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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 16:56 (5 Years ago)
I like the idea. But here's the thing, I don't trade a lot and if the tax were on everything I'd support it. But its not. Plus, it's like paying the GTS to send the trade. Like paying for mail during the 1900's

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MetalHeadKendra
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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 17:30 (5 Years ago)
Paying the GTS? It doesn't specify anywhere here or on the Wiki where that tax goes, an even then it's just a place to trade, not an actual place where people work or a government that needs that money. Paying for mail in the 1900's is totally different because you were supporting paying actual people. This is just a feature on a website.

If I make a trade or gift of one million Pokedollar to someone, I don't want to have an extra 50,000 just disappear from my account for no reason. Especially not if it means it "pays the GTS" when it's just a feature on a website and not a running service with employees (because it isn't).
RoyalGecko
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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 17:38 (5 Years ago)
Question. When are you ever going to gift someone a million dollars? Plus if you have a million dollars, 50k isn't a problem. Not to mention this is basically an existing feature that you want to simpliy for no reason other than to save alittle money

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MetalHeadKendra
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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 17:47 (5 Years ago)
I was trying to use it as an example was all, not the purpose of what I'm saying. For someone trying to get a month of Premium, 1 million PD gets 666 Nuggets, which is still not enough. And 50k is a lot to lose for no reason when someone is on that conquest of getting something they want with a currency exchange. That's another 33 potential Nuggets lost to, again, absolutely nothing.
It isn't just about me or the users that want to save money. This might help out some of the newer users as well who find it hard to make PD and trade around to find things they want or need.

You called it an "existing feature" but what's the true real purpose of it? Tell me why it's a good thing to keep on this site?
RoyalGecko
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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 17:56 (5 Years ago)
The newer members have a magical helper called A MENTOR. And encase you didn't know the definition of mentor is:
men·tor
/ˈmenˌtôr,ˈmenˌtər/
noun
1.
an experienced and trusted adviser.
"he was her friend and mentor until his death in 1915"
synonyms: adviser, guide, confidant, confidante, counselor, consultant, therapist; More
verb
1.
advise or train (someone, especially a younger colleague).

The mentor can help gift them money (if their a good mentor like myself or a good friend like Stormy) or the newbies can interact with pokemon. Now I will admit you got me stuck on why its a good thing. But it sure as hell is clearly not a bad idea if its been around since the site began (mostlikely)

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MetalHeadKendra
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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 18:08 (5 Years ago)
You don't have to be rude about it and attempt to insult my knowledge. I know what a Mentor is, and you didn't need to pull the definition off of Google and post it pointlessly.

Mentors are there to help a person along their way, and have nothing to do with what I'm saying.
New members on Pokeheroes start off with small amounts of PD and therefore cannot trade around to get what they want or need, be it evo. stones or Pokemon. (And don't tell me that the mentor can just give them PD because that's not what happens with everyone, if I want premium and I'm 200 nuggets away, no one is just going to GIVE that to me right now.)

I can see you arguing my suggestion which is totally okay (so long as you stay professional about it) but if you aren't going to state reasons to support the levy or why it should stay on the site then all you're doing is pointlessly arguing with me. So please don't post unless you have a reason why the tax levy should stay on the site or another reason why they tax levy shouldn't be a thing.
RoyalGecko
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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 18:27 (5 Years ago)
I wasn't trying to insult your intelligence.

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Posted: Mon, 21/01/2019 21:29 (5 Years ago)
The main reason for those taxes might be to prevent inflation by taking some pd out of the market with each transaction...the fee is kinda low being just 5%, but without said fee the value of pd would decrease by time so no support.
SinnaStyx
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Posted: Tue, 22/01/2019 00:09 (5 Years ago)
I don't really agree with the argument that the value of pd will decrease with the lowering or complete removal of the tax. It seems right now just to be something pointlessly implemented for no particular reason other than to,, be there?
Why isn't there a tax on nuggets, then? People would be outraged, and all a nugget is is 1500 pd, and have been for a very long time.

Maybe perhaps if the tax that was removed went towards something like a lottery I could understand, but as of right now it seems as though that money is just gone- poof- which in realistic terms muddles the value more than just not having a tax.

So, I fully support lifting the tax completely unless Raiko finds a way to use that money that's being lost to nothing.
Zarkesh
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Posted: Tue, 22/01/2019 07:24 (5 Years ago)
Nuggets arent that easy to create "out of nothing" as pd are. If you want to get lots of nuggets "out of nothing" you need to spend real money. Also nuggets are a way to support the site itself.
Pd are generated in large amounts by interactions.

And for sure the pd value would decrease without the tax since there would be more pd. Thats how inflation works...

The overall amount of pd does not get heavily decreased by anything else then the tax so it would just grow more without it while the overall amount of nuggets is controlled effectively by the stuff you directly buy with nuggets like premium, flutes etc
SinnaStyx
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Posted: Tue, 22/01/2019 14:24 (5 Years ago)
While you make a valid point, I still respectfully disagree with your argument of muddling the value of PD. If anything, PD doesn't have too much value in itself, and it is not 'taxed' in any other place but the GTS.
I think your particular reasoning for the tax being there in the first place doesn't make much sense logically, and if that is the reason there is a tax, then again, it seems silly as just a reason to decrease the amount of overall PD on the site.

Personally, I've only found the tax aggravating once in my few years here, but that's not to say it still doesn't make much sense to me.
Again, I'd like it if there was more of a reason for a GTS specific tax because that excess money gets transferred to a lottery type thing where someone then will win that money and spend it again, therfor never taking that money out circulation suddenly.
MetalHeadKendra
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Posted: Tue, 22/01/2019 18:40 (5 Years ago)
Quote from AcryliCatUwUWhy isn't there a tax on nuggets, then? People would be outraged, and all a nugget is is 1500 pd, and have been for a very long time.

I'll play a little devil's advocate here. Nuggets are considered a premium currency since the best way to get Nuggets is trading a LOT of PD for some, or purchasing with real-world money. As such, there are some items you can only get with Nuggets, for example Premium or flutes. Putting a tax on that would make it seem like a money grabber and would make some users feel that they wasted their money on this game even though it supports the site. But I still agree that a tax on PD shouldn't be there since we already spend PD on shops and things that also disappear into the site.

Quote from ZarkeshThe overall amount of pd does not get heavily decreased by anything else then the tax so it would just grow more without it while the overall amount of nuggets is controlled effectively by the stuff you directly buy with nuggets like premium, flutes etc

Keep in mind that items in the shop are ways to get rid of inflation as well. I know I still go and buy Everstones, Pokeballs, Incense, Berries, etc. once in a while.
That's actually an excellent point and gives me an idea to solve the inflation that isn't through trading.
Perhaps the ability to trade PD for more Game Chips? The more Chips you have, the more PD it'll cost to trade them in. I already know it's way too time consuming to get the four legendaries in there just for Dex entries, I can't imagine the amount of time needed to get the shiny variants.
Or what about special items in the shop or a new high-end shop completely that sells pricey items? Maybe being able to get the flutes in that shop at a high PD price or something.
Or items completely new and exclusive to the shop. Something like... I dunno, that's probably for a different suggestion thread entirely, but it's an idea.
(Maybe a usable item to give a small shiny chance increase for a few hours, or some items that a user with a lot of PD would want to spend it on.)
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Posted: Tue, 22/01/2019 19:45 (5 Years ago)
I'm not sure why everyone is so terribly focused on my comment on nuggets and their lack of tax. Clearly I didn't word that correctly or else the point of the comment meaning to emphasize the ridiculousness of the tax without any means of recycling said currency would have been noticed. I'm not clueless, I do fully understand the 'premium' stance that nuggets have within the community.

I do agree with new/special items in the mart, that would be a neat idea to muse.
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Posted: Tue, 22/01/2019 19:49 (5 Years ago)
Its been mentioned before that the reason there are taxes are because of people using a sibling account or making multiple accounts toe send PD to one another. Its to help prevent that. :)
MetalHeadKendra
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Posted: Tue, 22/01/2019 19:58 (5 Years ago)
> AcryliCatUwU
Oops, sorry, you asked it as a question and I took it as you didn't understand why there wasn't a tax on it. My apologies. But thank you for your valuble input.

> Saratank
Again, this has been mentioned before and I fail to understand how a 5% is going to "prevent" someone from multi-accounting. They still get the other 95% if they attempted it. Can you state your source on where you heard this to begin with?
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Posted: Wed, 23/01/2019 09:51 (5 Years ago)
This has been suggested multiple times in the past and the most recent from the rejected subforum is here. Shot down by Riako himself and I'm not sure he's had a change of heart since last autumn, but who knows.
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