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♛ PokéHeroes Book of Records! ♛

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Posted: Mon, 29/01/2018 14:21 (6 Years ago)
1OS Lurantis


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Posted: Mon, 29/01/2018 17:03 (6 Years ago)
1OS shiny lurantis

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Posted: Mon, 29/01/2018 20:19 (6 Years ago)
1st OS Oranguru
Anybody care to dispute this?
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Posted: Tue, 30/01/2018 22:22 (6 Years ago)
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 14:37 (6 Years ago)
Just a question - if an evolved pokémon has a lower ID-number than its pre-evolution, wouldn't the evolved pokémon also count for the FoS of the pre-evolutions?

[Because I see evolved pokémon as FoS and a different pre-evolution, that was hatched later, as FoS for that pokémon]
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 14:39 (6 Years ago)
i mean technically first on site would be the first to ever exist, meaning the first one to achieve evolution so the ID numbers aren't really something you can depend on for evolution FoS


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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 14:46 (6 Years ago)
As Greg said, the ID-Number is not always helpful.Santa Furfrou can be an excellent example:

First person who changed its haircut is the one who really had the 1OS pokemon, if someone evolved later a really old furfrou into Santa's the ID will be lower but that doesn't mean it's the first on site

EDIT: that's why taking a picture of the pokedex with the one and only pokemon/shiny is so helpful for this thread most of the times
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 14:53 (6 Years ago)
...I think you misunderstood ^^'

The pre-evolution was hatched later than the evolution.
Bulbasaur/Ivysaur/Venusaur [normal] all have the same ID, because pokémon 33 [the first Venusaur] was also the first Bulbasaur and first Ivysaur.

I know that evolutions can have a higher ID [like 186] than its pre-evolution [like 56], but if your evolution has ID 68 [for example] it's simply not possible for the pre-evolution to have ID 294, because the evolved form was ealier, so its pre-evolution was as well [as it would've also been ID 68 before it was evolved.

Maybe I'm missing a criterium or something, because some lines do have the same number throughout, but I simply don't think that a non-evolved FoS could have a higher ID [as in 'later adopted'], than an evolved FoS.

disclaimer - All numbers [aside from Bulbasaur's] are fake, merely used to try and bring my point accross correctly. If my assumption is wrong and this is just a waste of time, I do apologise for that.
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 14:56 (6 Years ago)
as an example, if ID 68 was a Golisopod, and the oldest current Wimpod is around 143, then the Golisopod would count as both the first Wimpod (If it hatched before any others) as well as the first Golisopod (if no other Wimpod had evolved in that timeframe between this Wimpod's hatching and evolution to Golisopod) as it would be the first Wimpod to exist and the first Golisopod to exist.


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CatLady
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 15:06 (6 Years ago)
[Pretty sure you're still not understanding what I mean, exactly, so I'll be using your example as a guide ^^' ]

Except that I'm seeing [in the list] that the oldest Wimpod [with ID 143] is counted as FoS, instead of the oldest Golisopod [with ID 68]

A younger, pre-evolution, is counted as FoS rather than the older evolved form, which is why I asked my question in the first place.
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 15:11 (6 Years ago)
That would be a mistake then, as the older Golisopod would also hold the title of the oldest and earliest Wimpod. The other person must've assumed their Wimpod was first without properly knowing, as a lot of times Riako releases new pokemon but keeps their dex entries out of the pokedex so frequency cant be checked unfortunately.

Im sure that happens more often than not honestly with new pokemon being added.


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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 15:19 (6 Years ago)
I figured as much, thanks for allowing me to make sure ^^
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 16:11 (6 Years ago)
The most practical solution for the first on site would be if we counted only one pokemon from the evolution family, that would solve all problems with pokemon like santa furfrou as the most recent one, many of the pokemon with form changing item, also leafeon, glaceon and sylveon which weren't obtainable while all other eeveelutions and eevee were, other rumble evolutions...

I don't know how do you people feel about that, but honestly, it's unusual to two different pokemon from the same evolution family both have the first on site title just because the real first on site didn't evolve.

At this moment, there is no ideal solution that everyone would like.
If we would allow ID to matter, then all first stage evolutions can evolve and take over the title(s), which would be a mess, while without it, for many pokemon is impossible to determine their first on site.

(All this bothered me since long time ago, just saying, doesn't have to do anything with the recent discussion)
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 16:16 (6 Years ago)
...I don't have a problem with the current way of listing FoS, I was merely curious if the situation as described in my question was a mistake or if I missed something.

FoS means FoS, regardless of ID, but it's simply impossible for a base pokémon to be FoS, if there's an evolution [NOT Forme Change] that's older.
[which is what the discussion was about]
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 16:23 (6 Years ago)
I know what it was about, so I mentioned in the end that it doesn't have to do anything with that discussion. Thing you pointed out is on point and I don't see any problem in that.

I just wanted to share my thoughts about the whole FoS thing in global.
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Posted: Sat, 03/02/2018 16:44 (6 Years ago)
@CatLady

Yeah, you are right, if there's an evolved form already, then that has to be the FoS. If there's a mistake I've made, then, please, make sure to show me what/where it is, and I'll make sure to fix it.
Thanks for the pointing this out!
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Posted: Mon, 05/02/2018 00:48 (6 Years ago)
1st OS shiny Hoopa [Proof]

Edit: added the Prison Bottle since the discussion here about "First On Site" is so fascinating to me.
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Posted: Mon, 05/02/2018 01:23 (6 Years ago)
Hmm if you go my your logic CatLady which I find sound and agree with it, Then The First shiny Hakamo-o by right of being hatched two days before the previously stated first shiny Hakamo-o By Peggy Belongs to VelvetNightmare Shiny Kommo-o Which had to evolve from Hakamo-o to the shiny Kommo-o. ^_^

I do believe VelvetNightmare hatched the first shiny Jangmo-o that they then fully evolve to a shiny Kommo-o
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Posted: Mon, 12/02/2018 00:21 (6 Years ago)

Title: Shiny Mega Autumn Alakazam

Anyone Know Who Has The 1st OS Shiny Mega Autumn Alakazam

I Got One 1/18/2018

and got this result

Checked Today 2/11/2018 and got this result
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Posted: Mon, 12/02/2018 00:41 (6 Years ago)
Yours if the 1ST On site LightYagamiFireKirby this is the 2nd on the site