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I was thinking, of how unfair it is to people who buy Nuggets, when some people trade for them, and I came up of an idea, that would persuade people to buy nuggets instead of trade via a Deluxe currency that can't be obtained though normal gameplay. This works by getting some every time you buy nuggets the amount you get depends on how much you buy persuading people to buy larger amounts, I have made a example of what it would look like, as for spending them, there would be an exclusive, shop where you can spend this currency to buy items like, Retro vouchers, vitamins, rare candys, evo Items, and more! Please don't discard this idea because you don't buy nuggets, or because of my example as that is the best way I could show what I'm talking about.

I think this might work well. I don't really have much else to say.

(p.s. the image doesnt work btw)

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The point of nuggets is that they are the deluxe currency. If we add a currency that can only be obtained by those who are capable of buying nuggets, we cut off a huge number of players, myself included. This is completely unfair to them. Users can earn nuggets or they can buy them; it's their choice.

Just to be clear, I am not discarding this idea because I don't buy nuggets, I am against it because I know a number of players who are completely incapable of buying nuggets. This suggestion would make part of the site completely inaccessible to them and give an unfair advantage who those who can buy nuggets. Being able to buy nuggets is already an advantage, we don't need to make it any more so. At least nuggets are available to anyone if they're willing to work hard enough.

No support.

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First of all nuggets are premium currency a currency that you but that can be obtain though gameplay (but is still rare) Deluxe currency you what you get addition to buying it, which might or might not be available via gameplay, and I'm not saying that they make this the only way to get legendairys, but they make it to help persuade people to get nuggets with real money by adding a currency that you can get stuff like, Items and retros. Pokemon that aren't necessaire but would still be cool to have.

I am with Charizard on this one. You can earn nuggets through game play, but not at a fast rate, so it is VERY beneficial if you can buy nuggets. The most nuggets you can get for coming on every single day is 1 a day (5 every 5 days). The most I have ever gotten from the Slots is 7.

Now, considering the exchange rate for nuggets from USD, this is 5 cents every 5 days and 7 cents from the Golden Slots after spending 5,000 Golden Game Chips.

With this in mind, those who can afford nuggets usually buy them. Plus, it's unlikely to earn enough for premium accounts in a timely manner if you're only trading for nuggets.


Adding another currency that's IMPOSSIBLE for users who can't afford nuggets to get would imbalance the game. ESPECIALLY if you're going to restrict pokemon via this method or sell rare candies to this method. I mean, you're pretty much making it, at that point, where if you want a very powerful pokemon for the high leveled battles, you are required to pay to play.

And when a feature like this gets added to the sites, most often more and more gets added to that very restricted shop to further entice those who can pay for it, and to keep the repeat customers with something new. While this would work to keep the repeat customers happy, it further limits those who can't afford it.

I've seen this feature destroy "free to play" sites, and would rather not have that happen to PH.

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And, while I can't afford nuggets (sorry, food and taking care of real life comes before game play additions), this is not why I don't support this suggestion. I just really don't want to see this added and have it be the downfall of the site like it has been for so many others.

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Not every one is super lucky I NEVER get nuggets beside the once week ones, and I never said rare candys would be cheep, its just an example, and no game is F2P Riako needs money to keep this site running do you really want PH to close that badly?

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But....Riako never said he needed more money besides what we already get from nuggets.

I joined ph because it WASNT exclusionary. Premium is nice, but you can still shiny hunt, no pokemon are "nugget only", etc.

This suggestion would create a rift between users tbh. Anyone who can buy nuggets or has money is now "special".


I do not support, and I buy nuggets with real money.

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Quote from Deme128

I was thinking, of how unfair it is to people who buy Nuggets, when some people trade for them, and I came up of an idea, that would persuade people to buy nuggets instead of trade via a Deluxe currency that can't be obtained though normal gameplay.

So you are saying it is unfair to users who buy Nuggets with real money, because you can just buy Nuggets from other users with PD/Pokemon/Items?

Well, actually no it's not unfair. Those people choose to buy Nuggets with their real money. They know they can get Nuggets from other users, but I gotta say, getting large amounts of Nuggets from other users is a hassle.

So it really isn't unfair because you can get a fairly large amount of Nuggets faster and easier than from buying them from other users.

This suggestion would only make it unfair to the users who can't buy Nuggets with real money, making an even larger division. People complain enough already about how much Premium users - people who can buy Nuggets - already have that's more than a normal user.

So no support.

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Quote from Deme128

Not every one is super lucky I NEVER get nuggets beside the once week ones, and I never said rare candys would be cheep, its just an example, and no game is F2P Riako needs money to keep this site running do you really want PH to close that badly?

That is an extreme (and unreasonable) accusation. Not supporting this idea has nothing to do with wanting PH to close because there is no evidence that this would help the site stay alive. It's done just fine for two years without it. That this suggestion's implementation will increase the purchase of nuggets is an assumption; we don't know.

This game is free-to-play because there are no activation fees for your account, there are no parts of the site that absolutely require you to pay, and there are no goals that premium players can have that non-premium ones can't. Free-to-play =/= free-to-run.

For anyone who is going to argue that there are things that require payment, yes I am aware that there is a Berry Garden available only to premium members, and there is a slot in the WT and SWT obtainable only by being a premium member. However, these are not essential to gameplay and you can participate in both of these things without having the premium slots- those are just convenience.

Premium membership is only to make gameplay easier. Whether this makes it unfair or not is up to the person you're asking about it, but I personally don't think it's unfair. Users who pay to get premium spent their real money on it, so they deserve it. People who work hard to earn enough Nuggets without buying them deserve it just as much because they worked towards it.

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[...] No game is F2P Riako needs money to keep this site running do you really want PH to close that badly?

Yeah, this is totally the only reason I don't support it. I totally want PH to close down, despite having spent real money on it and working my tail off to get some of my rarer things. I totally don't support the site despite my reason for not supporting this is because I have seen it destroy countless other sites. I totally think that it's fair to totally give those who have zero money to spend on these things a middle finger by making things completely unavailable to them. Yeah, my opinion against this is because I hate PH and Riako and everything that it stands for.

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The reason I don't support this suggestion is because I LOVE this site and have spent a lot of time on it. Before I took a few months break, Fuku Ryu was in the strongest pokemon list, I was on the most game time stat, and in several of the other stats.

I have spent money on the site in the past to support it as well as to make my own game play easier. Honestly the perks of premium are enticing enough to make most users want to pay for it with real money.

Adding in the small things around the site that nuggets can get you as well (better breeding, the Event Points/Event Pass, DW points, etc) are further reasons that people already buy nuggets. I promise you that over half the nuggets that are on the site have been bought.

Right now I have 486 Nuggets on my account. Though I, personally, have not spent any money on that, two of the users who I traded with did buy it with real money. And I'm sure some of the users who have paid for my art with the nuggets bought them with real money.

So, again, you're looking to add a new part to the site that cuts out the larger portion of the userbase to "help" the site and convert it to a pay-to-complete site. And, again, as time progresses, more and more will be added to this exclusive shop for those who get more gems than they know what to do with. This will imbalance the game, especially for users like me who are trying to complete the normal dex and egg dex.


I would rather not see this on the site than see the site hurt by this feature. And I have yet to see a single website with this feature that has NOT been utterly destroyed by it in the end result. (For example, I have seen a website which had 5K users online at any given time add this feature and that number plummeted to around 500 online at any given time, losing users and potential buyers because when they can't pay, there are features that they absolutely can't get)

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No support.
I'd like to point to another site, PokeFarm Q as an example. They have a special pay-for currency called Zophan Canisters, which are required for many nearly game-breaking advantages to players, including many things that aren't obtainable otherwise, an UNGODLY higher shiny chance, and the ability to get some pretty rare items on a whim. They also have Gold Poke, which is the equivalent of our nuggets here.
I've also been on a very short lived MMORPG where a special "reward" currency was instated, and within a month of the reward currency being instated, 45% of the population of the servers had left, because there were suddenly completely over-powered clans with exclusive items running around, and no one else could get anything done. Albeit that this site isn't entirely an MMORPG, but it's still dealing with several thousand people all competing to get the same things.

Not to mention it will trash the entire economy. Suddenly, Retros, Legendaries, and possibly other rare pokemon and items (you didn't state much), will be worth less because there will be an influx of people just tossing them into the pool for PD or nuggets, or being more frequent on site. A Pixelmon server I used to play on made it so that you could purchase Fully IV'd, Perfect nature, Shiny Pokemon, and the Elite 4 Champion had bought one of these pokemon and essentially became a dictator.

Making a currency specifically for one group of people makes disasters. It unbalances the game and makes the site popularity decrease. I'd surely hesitate to recommend the site to any of my friends if such a currency was instated. There's already incentive to buy nuggets; Premium comes with Retros and lots of features for longer amounts of time, and longer amounts of time cost more nuggets. A new currency isn't necessary.

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no support, I have never paid for anything inside a game and I don't like the "pay to win" system

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I cannot pay for nuggets- Real life comes first for me - sorry. And I am sure that that's the case with many users- especially kids- not too many kids can get parents to buy them stuff online.

And as it was pointed out if this was implemented it would create a gap between deluxe users and those who cannot buy nuggets and it wouldn't end up nice that I can tell you.

People would want more and more and more stuff to be obtainable with deluxe currency only and in the end more stuff would be available for deluxe users only- So the majority of people would end up being left out.

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One of the reasons why I left Pokefarm was because event Pokemon costed money. A lot of the features too require money and for the most part it excludes a good portion of the userbase.

I can imagine with a currency like this more and more exclusives will be added and eventually it will be pay2win. What i like about Pokeheroes is that everyone is included. You can for the most part get everything without buying a single nugget with your own money. And that's great! Because not everyone can afford it or are allowed to buy them due to parents. This is why I love and support Pokeheroes, because it's so inclusive. Yes premium has its perks but it doesn't block non-premiums from whole features like the currency would do.

Currency like this will exclude so many people and we might end up losing a good portion of the userbase. Me included, because even though I do support the site(I've bought so many nuggets it's not even funny), I will not support a feature like this.

Quote from Deme128

Riako needs money to keep this site running do you really want PH to close that badly?

If Riako was really that desperate for money, then he'd at least have ads(which are a good way to sustain a website) on the site. And as far as I'm concerned he took those off quite awhile ago. I think we spend enough on nuggets to sustain the site as is.

So no support

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i agree, currency that locks players out of things makes free to play games not really that fun anymore, but if the premium currency is only to make things a tiny bit easier for convenience sake then its good because those with money will buy the convenience and those without money can work the hard way around.

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I do not support this qbecause new users who get an account during the rein of the evil pokegem will have an absolutely HUGE disadvantage because they are poor and the people who bought the pokegem will HUGELY increase leaving a low chance for nonpayers. Plus, nobody wants this to be a greedy as heck site like roblox. Even though there are many big companies like Nintendo who make pay to play games, if you pay for their games, YOU DONT NEED TO PAY ANY MORE MONEY TO BECOME A GOOD PLAYER. Plus, we already have a nuggets shop so a pokegem shop would be useless.

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Rejected due to the high amount of "No Support" by our community (9 Support, 34 No Support, 5 Don't Care)

Why is it a bad thing that people get Nuggets from trading instead of buying them? :) Isn't that what makes this game fair?