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Removal from Medal Rally

Forum-Index Suggestions Removal from Medal Rally
Mysterio
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 13:31 (4 Years ago)
I visited the medal rally and found out that a person in rally is banned permanently


So, the people who get locked permanently while in any rally should be removed from medal rally because they might be using auto-clicker to do so (coin flip & berry feeding) and thus they don't deserve to have a medal, I hope this Idea gets liked by you all.


Another Good Suggestion for medal rally
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 13:40 (4 Years ago)
This is fair, I support!

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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 13:42 (4 Years ago)
agreed, no point in keeping a record like that.
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 13:42 (4 Years ago)
I support this. But when you told that he might have done autoclicking or berry feeding. What's the use of getting locked by berry feeding?
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 13:44 (4 Years ago)
No support. But not total disagreemnt.

I just don't see the point when they will probably just be kicked out from the rally anyway from someone else and/or Medals don't really /do/ anything but a badge to signify something but even then they are pretty worthless in it's self.

So yeah. Netural.


Mysterio
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 13:46 (4 Years ago)
@Naruhina I said might be using autoclicker for flipping and feeding, I didn't said that autoclicking and feeding
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 15:23 (4 Years ago)
@Nexanda. Not necessarily. It's been several months, but the very first time I tried participating in the Coin Flip part of the Medal Rally, I was in first place up until the last two days. I had 150k or so. Somebody came up overnight and did 1.5M Coin Flips. I complained about it to a Mod, but they said there was nothing that could be done. I was so disappointed. People who get banned should be removed from the Rally, especially if they have cheated that much making it impossible for anyone else.

And yeah. The Medals don't symbolize much, but they're a sign of "I worked hard to get that."
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Castalia
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 15:41 (4 Years ago)
I myself cannot give support, though its a good idea in some ways.

I would think that it would be saddening to see someone beat you in a Medal Rally, more so if you think they were cheating, but what if they did do it legitimately, then get locked? Even the main post says "So, the people who get locked permanently while in any rally should be removed from medal rally because they might be using auto-clicker to do so" I also must add that I would assume that even an auto-clicker cant go so fast as to beat everyone else in the rally by a million or so, or at least it would be very, very rare on PH, at least. Correct me if I'm wrong, but cant anybody just try another rally? Even if a cheater won, nothing is stopping any of you from doing the rally again. PH isn't perfect. If it was, everyone would be winning rallies with no cheaters involved. But people aren't perfect, and love ruining rallies and hard work for others. I'm sorry, but if you all cant accept that cheaters will win sometimes and nobody can do anything, then I would suggest that PH isn't the site for you. I'm also sorry if I came off as a bit too salty, I mean no offense to anyone
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 16:32 (4 Years ago)
I support this because if someone has been locked permanently, no matter if they cheated in the rally or not, what good will a medal do them? I think it should be best to give the medals to people who are not banned as well.

@Sami: I think this is just about fairness and not about people not being able to handle cheaters. And also, why should anyone have to put up with cheaters? Yeah, PH isn't perfect and people aren't perfect either. But this should still set an example and people who break the rules for whatever case should not get a reward, even if they didn't cheat in the rally. But as I said before, what good will the medal do them? They're banned permanently. And I think if someone really cheated, then they should not get a medal for this because it is unfair to those who try to win the hard and honest way. Everyone got their own opinion, of course, and I mean no offense either
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 16:43 (4 Years ago)
@lion-magnus

Users have to put up with cheaters because that's life, and that's PH. What will a medal be good for on any user, banned or not? I myself don't even care if someone had a medal, and I'm sure many others do not care ether. Medal Rallies are fun, and can be less fun with cheaters, but cheaters aren't everywhere in the rallies. One rally may have a cheater, too bad. One may not have a cheater. Great job. I must also state again, nobody knows if someone cheated to get locked. Some cheaters aren't so obvious, and some really fast clickers just get locked.

My point stands, life isn't fair. PH isn't fair. If you cant put up with the occasional cheater [I find it very rare to see an obvious cheater] then Medal Rallies aren't for you, and I don't think a whole new feature needs to be implemented for those users who get butthurt when a cheater knocks them down to the Silver Medal. once again I mean 0 harm to anyone
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 16:51 (4 Years ago)
"I would think that it would be saddening to see someone beat you in a Medal Rally, more so if you think they were cheating, but what if they did do it legitimately, then get locked?"

Registration: 19/10/2014 (2 Years ago)
Game Time: 5:34 Hours

Their ONLY 5 hours in the game was from doing Coin Flip. Why, after almost 3 years would somebody decide "Oh. I'm going to log in and participate in the Medal Rally!" Yeah. That in and of itself isn't enough to call them a cheater. But considering the fact that 1-2 days before the end of the previous Rally, somebody else of the same account age and hours in game got banned for suddenly appearing in first place with a decent sized lead, it all seems really suspicious.

The moment the new Medal Rally began, this person did 100k the very first day. The most I've ever seen on the first day is 30k. I don't think anyone would take that much time to play just to get a good lead from the get-go.

"Correct me if I'm wrong, but cant anybody just try another rally?"

Alright. I already have multiple Medals in Strongest and Eggs. But I'm going to try another Rally when I need medals for Coin Flip and Most Berries Fed. I don't have the time to do Coin Flip, so I watch it. If I think I can make it in the last few days, I try. Other than that, there's no point in me wasting time or 30k+ berries for a Medal when it's not worth it.

"I'm sorry, but if you all cant accept that cheaters will win sometimes and nobody can do anything, then I would suggest that PH isn't the site for you."

Cheaters should NOT be able to win. EVER. That is wrong and unfair, especially to those who put a lot of time and hard work into what they did.

I can handle the occasional cheater. But that's not the point. The point is CHEATERS SHOULD NOT BE REWARDED. That is a terrible example to set. You may not care because you don't have any Medals. But those who actually want to put time, hard work and effort into accomplishing something don't want their efforts to be in vain. What you're basically saying is "Poor baby. I don't care how much work you put into this. You don't deserve to win."
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 16:56 (4 Years ago)
@Lemon (oops, I'm still so used to your old username that I used it in the post before lol. sorry):

I respect your opinion, but I also just want to voice mine. Personally, I'm not someone who takes part in the medal rally and sure, life sucks and is awful and unfair. But still, I do think it's not necessary that people who cannot log in anymore due to being perma banned get the medals when there are plenty of people who aren't banned could get it instead. Even if the people didn't get locked because of cheating, it's still more useful to give the medals to others. It's impossible to make everything 100% fair because people got different point of views on what happened and has been said, but I still think that we should at least all strive for as much fairness as possible. The fairness is the point and not people being butthurt about losing one place. It's about giving the medal to people who aren't perma locked.

@Rhoslyn_na_Foraoise:
I fully agree with your points!
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Mysterio
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 17:08 (4 Years ago)
@Rhoslyn_na_Foraoise I agree with you more than I agree with myself xD

@Lemon You are just focusing that PH isn't perfect, but that's the reason users make suggestions, here we can be better if we can't be perfect, and I think only those people who participate in rally should vote this because other people don't know how hard and bad it is to lost from a banned person :/
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 17:14 (4 Years ago)
@Rhoslyn_na_Foraoise

And what YOUR saying is "Oh you don't have a medal therefor you're wrong and I'm right". That was most likely a case of a cheater, what you said. And I NEVER said your case was fair, or not of a cheater. NEVER. Get your facts straight. When I said "I would think that it would be saddening to see someone beat you in a Medal Rally, more so if you think they were cheating, but what if they did do it legitimately, then get locked?" I meant that with the not so obvious cheaters, I am not trying to target you, so don't target me with your insults.

Not all rallies have cheaters. I am trying to say that life isn't fair. People aren't fair. Sometimes hard work goes to waste. Its just life. Its just how PH works. There are always going to be cheaters. I don't think cheaters even care that they got the medal. and they aren't going to say in a feed "oh its ok to cheat in the rally" because they are locked, and most likely don't even care. Nor should you be thinking that you are right because you watch some of the rallies. I would think this would be hard to implement anyway, and once again I will bring up the fact that cheaters aren't in very rally, and I don't think Riako would want to put in a feature that unsurely guesses if a user cheated. Sure, your case was almost obvious, but what about other cases? A locked user has the exact same use for a medal as a user that isn't locked.

Now if you dont like that life isn't fair, and nothing can be done about it, then get off PokeHeroes. this time I mean as much offence as you.

@lion + Mysterio

I just feel this suggestion isn't needed, and other things can be done. Like if you're all afraid of cheaters running your work, just don't participate. I can see how you could be upset but its an unsure and unfair system, since:

1. Users can [though rarely] be unlocked because mods made a mistake.
2. That user didn't cheat. Nobody knows for 100% sure if they cheated or not, though it can be painfully obvious in RARE situations.
3. It gives as much use to normal users as locked users.


@lion [personally]
I agree with your points. I also think that PH should be fair. But it isn't fair to the ones who didn't cheat, or got locked accidentally or wrongly.
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 17:17 (4 Years ago)
@Lemon even if users are locked by mistake, then again what is point of letting them win it? -.-
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 17:20 (4 Years ago)
@Mysterio

I would think because they legitimately worked hard for it. They would be locked for real if they did cheat.

I would like to end this low-key drama brewing, so if anyone has more to share with me personally I would like it to be sent in a PM so drama doesn't clog this suggestion.
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 17:22 (4 Years ago)
@Lemon if you think mods can do mistakes then I think you should make a suggestion about "no mods." because you or me might get locked someday by "mistake", and just as you said not to participate in rally because of cheaters, you should leave PH too because of mods might make mistake and ban you

And just like you I am sorry if I was salty
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 17:25 (4 Years ago)
@Mysterio

Woah, I'm not saying the mods make a bunch of mistakes. I respect and love our mods. I have just heard from them [they themselves mention it in other suggestions, I will have to find some proof later] they it does happen. Mods aren't perfect. I don't hate them. Don't take it the wrong way at all, I'm not saying I think the mods are stupid or don't do their job.
And I don't even participate in rallies, so don't even try that argument. I know about the subject, even if I haven't done the rally myself.
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 17:49 (4 Years ago)
Woah, woah, woah! I like this idea because I have seen people hitting millions in days using bots. It's actually not fair for others (this has been repeated a lot of times tho). Although a perm. ban is actually a bit much because everyone deserves a second chance! So instead of perm. banning people, you can just take away their medals from them/disqualify them. So I do support this idea!
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Posted: Mon, 07/08/2017 18:04 (4 Years ago)
@Lemon I respect you and your thoughts, ok? But you can't feel what you never tried, so thinking that you know about the subject is totally wrong, example: you know that chocolate is sweet, but you never actually felt it, unless you taste it by yourself, what I mean to say is try to participate in rally and see a cheater pushing you down to silver even if you are playing 18 hours a day and they play for 1-2 hour a day.