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Hello hello! This is a pretty straightforward idea with simple motivation. I don't know why white powders are so absurdly rare. Maybe their spawn rate is just plain bad. Or maybe, and this is my hypothesis: the berrygarden isn't popular enough to warrant legendaries being there. But I don't think the Swords of Justice will be departing the garden.

One white powder goes for ~200k, usually more. That's a hefty amount if you need 5 for each egg. Since the ~200k price lines up pretty well with the pricing of other summons, I'm suggesting to only require 1 white powder per egg.

(also if this has been suggested, please link the thread. The forum search is a pain to use so I didn't check)

either this or up the powder task rate
hadn't had one in ages and then i get one that demanded a hefty 331 Lansats :'v

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Support..
I want to hunt Virizion and Cobalion but the bulk stuff so expensive and hard to come by..

My first two Cobalion eggs took me like two or three months to get the powders..

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Bumping this up

As much as I’d love to support this cause I love that pink virizion. No support cause it will be insanely unfair to people who have actually worked hard with the current absurd rates and amount needed to get the shinies.

Though I guess an increase in spawn rate of task can be a better solution but the decreased amount is a no-no.

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@absol-girl, by that logic, nothing should ever be improved because it'll be unfair to those who had to work harder in the past due to a broken or inefficient system.

Improving things to make them more fair for the future (whether that's something completely unimportant in a game, such as making a Pokemon easier to obtain, or something very important in real life) does mean that people who worked through the unfairness before will have missed out; but that doesn't mean that future people should have to continue to suffer through the same unfair situations when they can - and should - be improved. Especially considering that the number of people who will benefit from the change is drastically more than the number of people who have already obtained one or more Shiny Swords.

Not to mention that it makes no sense for a group of Pokemon that aren't that special being worth 1mil PD each in summoning items... that's higher than the exclusive event Legendaries like Shaymin and Kyurem that are only available 2 weeks or less each year.

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@creativejackalope
I guess the first part of what u said makes sense.

But on the second part being not worth a mil. Id like to point out that a ruby is worth around 210k these days whilw groundons barely go for 30k.
The trio can easily go for 200k while it takes 1.25 mil to summon it. So thats like 20% payback while others dont even get 10%

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That's kind of my point, the Swords shouldn't be worth more than other Legends, whether that's in sale value (where a Groudon is 30k and a Sword is 200k, over 6x the price) or their respective value in summoning items (where a Groudon Egg is 210k and a Sword Egg is 1-1.25mil, again almost 6x the price). The Swords shouldn't be so much more expensive than other Legendaries when they aren't restricted availability - like Kyurem or Shaymin - and they're just standard Legendary Pokemon.

And a slight correction on the math:
30k is 14.29% of 210k
200k is 16% of 1.25mil
So the difference isn't as much as you initially thought, their payback is near-identical statistically speaking.

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Yeah my maths sucks so sorry about that
(It seemed more at that time lol)

Anyways since the swords are guaranteed a shiny at 50 they can’t really be much cheaper or atleast not as cheap as the others.
I mean them tomorrow people will be like lower xerneus and yveltal prices too. And well it’ll just keep going downhill

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How does this suggestion have anything to do with future suggestions? It’s in no way related to whether someone make a suggestion about Xerneas and Yveltal, and suggesting it’ll all “go downhill“ from here is a slippery slope logical fallacy.

Considering you’d need ~10 million PD worth of white powders for one shiny with this suggestion, it costs about the same as some legend hunts. So we’re good on that front.

Yeah but other legends don’t have guaranteed shinies at 50th egg. Also these days xerneus are going for what 400k? And how much do they cost if you get the egg ? A lot more than that I mean 75 dragon gems.

So if we apply this suggestions logic of costing a lot and not being worth it to that their cost will have to be lowered too. Hope that makes sense to you.

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Bump! As someone who's trying to complete their eggdex, White Powders are both difficult to get, and extremely expensive. Current value is 250k PD, so thats 3.75M PD on 3 eggdex entries. 3M if I can get them cheap for 200k, which is still a lot.

Not to mention that you need level 5 Enigma/Custap/Micle Berries, as well as level 10/15 of 2 other berries, which is much more difficult than simply using a summon item, like other legendaries. You also need Gardener level 30 to be able to cook those recipes. The recipes also take a while to cook, it's not instant like summons.

Edit: Just got 2 powders in 2 days. I think the cost is more due to the lack of supply, rather than the number needed.

Controversial opinion: The Swords of Justice are balanced as (approximately 62.5 million PD each) shiny legendaries.

However, it's quite....un-obvious that the Berrygarden actually has these 3 legendaries locked behind it? Especially having to wait till level 30; I'd suggest lowering the level requirement to 20 or even 15 since that would incentivise people to use the garden more. Or even making the recipe and seeds needed available from a lower level, but not the powders (since that would generate interest. Users can still buy the powders to cook the recipes before they get powder tasks from the board)

@Binks: Consider that Ditto, Articuno, Moltres and Zapdos are often obtained from GC for people who aren't lucky, and are....even more expensive. (I'm going to ignore the Magearna vouchers for now since those are hotly debated)

I don't really agree with making the recipes available at an earlier level, since that'd just mean more people looking to buy the powders, but the same number of people completing powder tasks. Level 30 doesn't take too long to reach, getting powders takes much longer. Maybe if powders were obtainable from tasks from level 15, there'd be something to work towards while increasing your Level. (And if users aren't aiming for the legendaries, there'd be more powders for sale). Though the issue with that would be that the items needed for tasks are significantly cheaper / easier to obtain at lower levels.

Another idea could possibly be to introduce level rewards: 1 White Powder every 5 levels from 15-30, 1 every level for 30+ (that might be too much, maybe 2 every 5 levels 30 till 50, and 1 every level for 50+)
[That'd probably require a separate suggestion thread though.]

Like I said earlier, I think the main issue is the lack of powders for sale. So either upping the drop rate, or making them obtainable in multiple ways, should help.

Another small idea would be to make them obtainable from the beach. You could find them washed up on the shore, like the Shoal items, at a 1/500-1/1000 chance (you can only get 5 items per day). Or you could fish them up very rarely. Doesn't really make sense lore-wise how you can get a mysterious "white powder" from delivering berries to NPCs. [Though again, this'd require another suggestion, which is a bit annoying, since these are all related to the same idea - cost / ease of obtaining the Swords of Justice]


Got confused for a second by what you meant by GC lol. Yeah, the Gem Legendaries are also quite expensive. But I feel like those are a bit more passive; you don't have to refresh Board tasks every 15 minutes, you don't have to check the Item Market as often, since there's a lot more gems available compared to powders. You can also get gems in multiple ways, not just buying them (slots, rumble).

There's a suggestion to lower the number of gems needed, but I don't think that's the right approach. Made a suggestion a couple days ago to lower the rarity tier for Ice, Ghost, and Fire gems, which would mean there's more of them available. Especially since both Glastrier and Articuno need Ice gems, so they're currently worth 3k PD.

The vast majority of people currently don't bother with eggdexes since you can buy the mon for 1/5 the price. The vast majority also aren't going for the shiny legend bc it's not thst popular and it's also one of the most expensive ones (with no chance of getting multiple shinies in a chain)

If people want the eggdex they're going to go for whatever level it requires, whether that be lowered to 20 or raised to 40 or 50

And similarly, if having the recipe makes them want to go for them, by all means they should! Making the info harder to find just means people get burnt out on Berrygarden before level 30 (because the bulletin tasks aren't rewarding besides powders), and may not even realise that there's three legendaries locked behind it. After they get the legendaries for themselves maybe they'll continue farming for white powders for profit