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Sup,Welcome to the random feed that we will

be discussing about how we can stop Global

Warming and talk about how stupid some

people are (NRG ;) )

So guys,Any of you wondered what will happen if we dont stop it?
Well..let me tell you a list of the things that could happen...Ahem...

THINGS DAT WILL HAPPEN IF WE DON'T TAKE CARE OF DIS:
1.More spreading of Cancer.
2.More people dying.
3.The earth will be like an Ice-cream in a summer day.
4.Everyone will be wearing masks.

And I'm sure No-one wants these to happen.

China:China was the world's major cause of Global Warming but they knew this and corrected their mistake by now being the country which Invested Most money on Renewable energy.

NRG:They knew this was coming but they didn't care...Instead they said "We can't stop this because some people have troubles"
Maybe they should think about how they will live Under water...cuz they are gonna drown this Planet.

Ways we can stop this:

If you wanna stop Fossil fuel for good just do this:
1.Stop using Fossil fuel.
2.Stop using Plastic bags.
3.Try out Renewable energy.
4.Raise Awareness in your local area

What do you guys think?

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What does cancer have to do with global warming and dying? You do know it is caused by chemicals, meaning literally everything you use has chemicals pretty much.

I think the worst thing that could happen is if a super volcano erupted, if one did erupt. Who knows what will happen to the weather this time. Last time one erupt the whole year was just winter.

Sure, but we have to fix other problems. Like making a solar panel vaporizer that can take out landfills would be a good idea. Cause lets face it, putting stuff in the trash is as worst as littering.

Windmills:Kill bats (messes with their sonar and they get cut into pieces)
Solar panels:Kills birds (birds love light, it's really creepy/ they get roasted)

so nothing really wins here, so we just have to find the things we can care less?

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This tread isn’t even necessary, it’s really a matter of belief not wether this is right and who ever doesn’t believe in this is stupid. You should stop calling people and places out. Not saying I️ don’t believe in this but you might need to chill for a sec and stop trying to scare people into not driving or using things that produce trash (literally everything does). Again, it’s not that I️ don’t believe, it’s tgat this gets blown way out of proportion

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@Mrinja, I think what they were trying to get at is the fact that the pollution being created increases the chances of mutations and thus tumor cells? ^^ Global warming itself doesn't cause the 'spread of cancer', but the pollution often associated with it definitely does increase the chances of cancer.

@Peggy, well it's not really a matter of belief whether or not global warming is right? It's science - not an 'everything is right' discussion and it is occurring whether people believe in it or not. I agree that calling people stupid does not help the situation though.

I also don't think it's being blown out of proportion. People don't seem to realize that even an increase by 1 degree Celsius can do a lot of damage. If you're living in a country such as Canada or America where you don't see the impact of it yet, it might not seem like a big deal. However, as someone that lives in China, I see what it does on a daily basis. In fact, we've had to cancel school sometimes because the air was so bad that a province-wide emergency was called and everyone was told to stay at home.

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@SilverStar

Thats a good point, i guess i never thought of it that way. I went to china last year and it didnt seem that bad when i was there so i guess i just assumed it was always like that.

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Radiation does that, what do you mean?


@LavaCookieez, if you're calling people stupid. How about you drive to a vacation site with your "cheap renewable source." How about the poor people. If they can't pay for the cheap stuff, how do you expect them to pay/care about global warming? Don't call people that ary trying to live their lives stupid.

@Peggy, I agree. People are acting like what they say will help. Recycling uses energy, but people never tell you that. Reusing makes things more dirty/chemicals, but people never tell you that. Reducing costs money, and isn't effective, but people never tell you that.

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@thelavacookiez: I thought you hated Science class ,the teacher is the worst XD

people dont really care tbh.they just talk about it and say they are trying but probably dont, some do.
i heard scientist were making inventions to stop global warming but might as well increase global warming . plus even after they create one they are probably gonna sell it for thousand of dollar or more

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part of me doesn't want to get into this because I forsee a massive possible argument... but, the other part of me says, one post and leave. so...

cancers are indeed increasing due to a LOT of factors- climate change is not the only one, but it is one. increased pollution in the air is contributing... so is the changing atmosphere, because sun's rays are getting trapped around the planet, and rays from the sun are the biggest contributions to cancer (plenty of radiation there). we're also not getting good nutrition from food anymore- so many things are processed now, or with added unpleasant things, and even the stuff that is grown is sometimes missing nutrients it used to have long in the past (try some research on vitamin B17- I'm not saying it's the ultimate cause here, I'm not saying that that specifically is a "magic bullet," I'm just saying missing nutrition is likely to have a role).
so in summary, it's not the only cause, but things associated with climate change and in part climate change itself are contributing to it.

reducing our use of fossil fuels and plastics is definitely a way to go. however, realistically, we aren't going to be able to get rid of them completely all that fast. we as a society are quite reliant on things like that. but, reducing what we currently use (for example, do things that are in a package really need to also be individually wrapped?) is more than possible, and a good start. we also need to phase out coal- it's the worse energy source there is for it, and if we transition correctly, we can manage without it. it's just a matter of planning and careful transition. oil and gas, we aren't going to be rid of so easily.

renewable energy. also a good option, but as Mrinja pointed out, everything is going to have it's own downsides as well. it's a matter of learning how to minimize them and work with them. it can be done, people just have to be willing to do it.

and raising awareness is probably the single most important thing on your list. that needs to be done, definitely. I don't think anything is being blown out of proportion, here. if we keep going without change, we will end up with no safe water, ground, or air to drink, farm, and breathe. maybe it won't reach that point in my lifetime, but it will in someone's, and it's not right to make them suffer.

"We do not inherit the world from our parents, we borrow it from our children."

sadly, lots of people do not believe in it. I've seen a lot of people saying it's just a money grab, a hoax, that the climate has always changed and humans have nothing to do with it.
they are right about one thing- the climate has always changed. it has gone through warming and cooling periods both. that is true. but we are definitely affecting it; we've released so much carbon into the air that we've changed the atmosphere enough to trap sun's rays like it never has before. it takes centuries to millennia for natural climate change; it's changing far faster than normal. that's because of us. there's an unbelievable number of humans on the planet; our overpopulation is causing more problems than people want to think. our actions are slowly poisoning the planet.
it is going to be an expensive fix; that's why people don't want to believe it. it's not convenient for them. but ignoring the problem won't make it go away, and that's why people have to learn it. we could even just cut back on the ridiculous things to begin with, that would be a start... for example, I used to go to this campsite that was near a lake. not only was it near a lake, but it had swimming pools. a very unnecessary waste of water- why do you need a pool WHEN YOU HAVE A LAKE? seriously?

and finally, a point out of the effects. I live in Canada, so I have been relatively lucky, but I have seen what has been happening. I've heard of how bad air quality gets on some places (kudos to China for pledging to make a difference!) and I watched the hurricanes this summer- entire islands and chunks of the US and Mexico were devastated. it seemed like each one coming broke records. and people were saying "Well, it's hurricane season, duh, not global warming."
hurricane season, yes. that is going to bring in hurricanes. I'm not telling you global warming caused the hurricanes. climate change made the hurricanes BIGGER. there will always be extreme weather patterns. climate change will make them bigger, deadlier, and more expensive to deal with.
I've seen people say, "They can't even get the weather right, how do they know what the weather will be in hundreds of years?"
they don't. weather changes rapidly, sometimes unpredictably. climate is different. climate is not supposed to change rapidly. climate follows patterns that can be determined with research and science. and the pattern that it has been following is changing. if it was following its pattern, we should be entering the next ice age now- we are not. the global temperature is rising, not falling. we've cancelled the next ice age- there's too much carbon in the air now for the planet to cool down. that is how we know we are in trouble- the climate is not changing right. maybe we're not exactly spot on for the future, but using the same science that has correctly and accurately predicted a lot of things, if not the weather, it is very likely that what has been predicted will come to pass. if you want to point out that it has not yet, that is because of the strides already made and steps already taken. we have been able to slow it down some, but if we don't keep at it, it will happen, and it may even speed back up.

now, here in Canada, weather changes like crazy on any normal day. it's hard to determine what might be normal or not. but I've noticed things about my country too. we've broken records in both hot and cold temperatures in the last few years. some of our winters in the last five years have been more bitterly cold than I remember ever happening; some of the summers more hot than ever before. this summer was an exception; last summer, everything dried out. perhaps that was just normal patterns of a dry summer; it happens. but, I know that it is forecast to get worse. our winters are supposed to get wet; we'll be flooded. our summers are going to get hotter and drier; parts of the country are scorched out of existence every year by fires already, and that's only going to increase. we're used to weather extremes, and while global warming might not hurt us in exactly the same way as places that are currently suffering from smog and heaps of pollution and disappearing food and land fit to farm on, everyone is going to suffer eventually. parts of the US will also disappear underwater; places that never had to worry about flooding before will eventually get used to it being a possibility. even earthquakes are affected by climate change; nowhere is safe.

it can't all be stopped, unfortunately. it's too late to completely halt it. but we CAN limit the effects to something more manageable, and once we have done that, then perhaps we can start fixing the damage we have done. the earth is very resilient; once humans stopped using the chemical that was tearing a hole in the ozone layer, the ozone layer began to repair itself. that planet won't give up that easily; with our help, it can heal from this too. we just have to expect the change back to be far slower than the change we have already started.

and we also have to expect EVERYONE to play a part in this. if we don't all work together, and I mean every person who shares this planet, then we can't expect to be able to make enough of a difference.

in closing, I'm not trying to depress anyone, I'm trying to point out reality. it won't be a simple process, but then, dealing with what happens if we don't won't either. but while it's not easy, it's not completely impossible. do your best to produce less garbage- I know it's easier said than done, but look at things a little different and see what you can do- if you're a crafty person, don't throw out those plastic straws, clean and save them- weave them into something new! I myself am working on a basket. just give things another look. re-use.
turn off lights when you're not using them, take shorter showers. install some solar panels; if you're worried about birds, put up something to scare them off. just be mindful of what you do.

and above all, teach people that this is real. that's the only way we'll really make a difference. all is not lost- we're still here! but we need to be here, together.

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No, I didn't really mean radiation? ^^ While CFCs definitely are increasingly creating damage to the ozone layer, I don't think that's the biggest problem? Especially since radiation from the sun has always occurred and the rate at which it is increasing is inconsequential in comparison to the other problems. The bigger problem that's inducing an increase in the probability of a person getting cancer is the increase in pollutants such as those with a PM of 2.5. They pretty much have the same effect as smoking.

And we can make a change. While I do agree that it is often difficult to cut down things such as all usage of cars, all of us are guilty of wasteful uses of the Earth's resources. While we might not be able to cut out all use, even a reduction in wastage by a large group of people can have enough effect as to bring the pollution to a low enough degree that Earth has enough time to regenerate.

Methods such as bringing a cloth bag to the groceries rather than using a plastic one isn't dirty - we use backpacks and other cloth bags all the time after all. Reusing does cost energy. But, it doesn't cost as much as the usage of plastic bags and other non-recyclables do. Using non-biodegradable polymers only causes an increase in methane and other pollutants. If renewable energy was really as taxing as you state it to be, there wouldn't be an influx in the investment of it by both governments and private industries.

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@Silverstar, don't you invest in hopes that you get a profit? Solar panels take a lot of money, and they don't always work. They sometimes work, but most of the time. The atoms don't catch the rays.
But still everything has their downsides, if you build a windmill (I believe it has to do something with their sonar not reaching the mill parts) and it starts to kill huge amounts of bats. There may be a rise of mosquitos that can cause malaria. For solar panels, if they start reflecting light from the solar panel tower (which they are doing already). Many birds will die and have. Most farmers rely on birds to kill rodents and such (and some house people too XD). @Dragonstars stated that you can scare them off, it's not them smacking into it. It's like using a magnifying glass on something. There has to be a better renewable source out there somehow, or at least change solar panels to make them more precise and safe.

For water, sooner or later the water cycle can't be able to keep up. Converting saltwater to freshwater does cost a lot of money I believe. If we do however manage, to convert a lot of saltwater to freshwater, we don't need to worry about water problems in other countries. But what about my lobsters?

Backpacks do get dirty a lot though (and not always from humans), I mean I don't know how pencil pieces and dust gets there in the first place but whatever. But for me, we kinda reuse the grocery bags after going to the stores. But if I'm going to reuse something, why should I reduce it (what if someone pukes into a store bag, you're going to clean it and reuse it?)? Should I be blamed if I were to put it into the garbage can and some company puts it in the middle of the ocean, whose fault is it? I gave my trust in that company so I didn't have to litter, and now they decided to release trash?

@Dragonstars, I agree with you on process foods. It's really hard to make organic foods, and such without using pesticides.

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Yes, you invest in hopes of gaining profit. However, these aren't simple hopes - they're hopes based on the research of numerous scientists and specialists. If thousands of big companies are willing to risk their profits, it's got to be a pretty good chance.

I'm not really sure what you mean by the 'atoms don't catch the rays', but as for the downsides, while I do agree that these things happen, Scientific American has stated that this amount is actually less than that of fossil fuel deaths. That is, if we're ignoring the fact that pollution of the Earth will someday make it uninhabitable for all of us. Furthermore, both cases of animal killings mentioned involve incompetence rather than problems to do with the method of gaining energy itself. In both cases, Scientific American has stated solutions that have already been pitched and tested in some cases.

As for bags, I'm not saying you should reuse forever. However, it should be agreed upon that currently, the average consumer wastes more than they should. While it's reasonable to throw away a puked on bag, I fail to see the reason to throw out a clean plastic bag that has been used to hold groceries.

As for fault, that's not really the point anymore. The point is that we all live on this Earth - we all need to protect it. If it's been made clear that a company has been using unethical methods of getting rid of waste, it is up to all of us to campaign for change and to watch companies to make sure they don't repeat the mistake.

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@SilverStar, I believe I've heard about it from TedEd? Even campaigning won't help, probably. But it's their company, if changing their company would be more successful. I think they would've done it already.

Sure, you can reuse as many things as you want. I was just stating it's not a method you would want to keep on doing with the same material. It'll usually cost less money such as a milk bottle watering can, and you can just tie a rope to get a humongous one. That would be pretty cool. Things like mold are a reason you don't want to reuse some things, like plastic water bottles. They get mold in about a week if you keep on reusing.

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Yeah, I do understand that it's a problem ^^ However, and yes, it does need to be dealt with. But fossil fuels are much more damaging in terms of damage to Earth so I'd much rather take the solvable issues over a continuation of fossil fuel use.

As for reusing, as far as I know of, no one is asking for re-usage of plastic water bottles (the store bought ones)? We have reusable plastic/metal ones for a reason. It's more about reusing and recycling when possible rather than the extremes.

As for campaigning, it does work. In fact, many companies are currently undergoing various environmental friendly changes - there's a reason that the investments in environmental science are skyrocketing. While it's hard to see the effects of campaigning in short term, people like Jon Stewart and John Oliver have shown that if enough people get together to complain about a situation, the governing force/company will feel threatened enough that they will change.

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It should mostly just be a slow transition, until we know solar cells and other renewable sources can hold the world's power, but even then. If it's winter, or a windless day. We can't get any power. For solar panels, we could put them in space, but for mills. We can't do anything about those since space has no wind (if people aren't lying that is :O).

About campaigning, they could boycott if they would want, but when you say, "feel threatened," it makes it feels as though the companies are victims XD.

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The thing is, it is a slow transition right now ^^ Renewable energy sources aren't just solar and wind, there's also hydroelectric and other water related electric sources that are more reliant.

Feel threatened doesn't necessarily mean they're the victims? ^^ It can just mean that they realize that the consumers, if they wanted to, could do bring down their firm. It doesn't make them victims, it makes them the cause of their own downfall.

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Oh, I forgot about watermills XD. True, I don't think currents ever stop. So they may be a better alternative than windmills. Though they probably have downsides with the ocean creatures so I don't really know.

Though doesn't this kinda make you feel bad for the company newbies that just started their company and probably wasted a lot of money, then they find out they did it all wrong?

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I'm not sure I understand what you mean by company newbies? I don't see how this factors in? O.O Wasted what money? Did what wrong?

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The people that just started their company, if people are threatening them to change. Don't you kinda feel bad for them?

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Well no, the point of entrepreneurship is to understand how the economy works and what will earn them money. If they're doing something that people don't agree with, people don't buy their product - it's as simple as that.

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I guess so, well that was pretty harsh silverstar XD.

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