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@Dakar,

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Also if a person fails the test, they will be given a "retry" option. But if a person retries the test too many times in a certain amount of time, they will receive a message similar to "You have taken the test too many times in the last 10 minutes! Please wait another 20 minutes to try again."

Plus, if a person fails the test, the next time they take the test, the questions and answers would be mixed up into a different order. That and there could also be new questions over the rules each retried time.

Restrictions, such as those? ^^

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*Facepalm*
That was like literally on the first page and I didn't see it? I'm so stupid :/
*Hand moves mouse to support button*

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Bump

Bump
Like, really.
This needs to be added.
There are just too many beggars/spammers currently on PH.

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I really agree to this because many people rule break and it has become more and more in users these days.
Anyway, I have maybe a little idea (you don't have to use it, but this is what I thought would be good in my opinion.) how about when someone gets a warning they have to take a little test to go over their mistakes to know that what they did wasn't right.
That's just a little suggestion but I love your idea, giving full support and it will stop so many people from getting banned.

@silver, that add on was already suggested ^^

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Yeah just saw that now :S
Must of missed it. Sorry about that, whoops.

I love this idea! Then new users will know what to do, and dont have to bug people that most likely wont help their issue. And for COPPA, your idea is nothing like it! I HATE coppa because on reality people that are younger than 13 can be super mature whilst the older people don't know how to stay safe on the internet at all. It depends on the person, not the age, so saying 13 od younger people cant use chat or forums is unfair.

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I'm kinda nervous about posting this (since the owner even seems to be behind it, and that makes it a moot to fight it), but I kinda don't like the idea. And it's not because of COPPA or it being a kid's site or game or anything.
There is a massive language barrier around this whole site, and depending on who writes the questions, and who reads the questions, there is a chance that people will fail a test because of wording. I can understand why people are complaining that it's a kid's site. Kids (and adults) make mistakes and forget rules and are immature and don't understand things sometimes. The way I'm reading it the only thing this is gonna get us is a lot of frustrated kids and possibly even more trolls and spammers. The rules don't change every day, and there's only a handful of ways you can word questions based on the same rules, and eventaualy, the people who are doing things like this out of malicious intent, or really do care that much, will pass around the answers and we'll have a whole big mess.
I can understand, maybe a test to get back in, or to determine if someone made an innocent mistake as apposed to maliciously spamming in place of a moderated system. But to me this just feels like we're no longer treating the people on the other keyboard like people, or not understanding what's going on fully. It feels really judgey. We don't know what the person on the other side of the keyboard is like, we don't know if they're a 10 year old who doesn't know any better, or a 70 year old who's obsessed with being the first in everything (or god forbid being a predator), or if it's a 20-something year old with Autism or a disorder, or a teen who is just doing it for the lols.

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@Midnight, as for the language thing, I'm pretty sure Riako could do it. I mean look he already coded and worded this whole site. If someone doesn't understand English well then that's their problem, because this whole site is in English.

As for people with autism or young kids, first of all, being a kid doesn't matter. You break the rules, you break the rules, and you're not going to get let off easy just because you're a kid. trust me, if you break the rules and you're a person with autism, the mods still aren't gonna let you off. Because that's not their problem. But what IS their problem is that someone is breaking the rules.

This should actually help stop people from breaking the rules because they will know about them in the first place.

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Completely in your Idea !

Only thing is that it can be looked as VERY annoying thing...

Title: hi there

This is a gud suggestion i must admit atleast there wouldnt be an abuse of that i have read the rules button!! Also this will put a fear kinda thing in the minds of new users if they read it ! Reducing the amount of scams......... :D







Isnt usefull in that multiple acc. thing but nvm a Brilliant suggestion!
Thanks @ Furret

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I totally... dont remember if I posted in this already. xD
Oh well, anyway, I was reading the first page and thought that when you get a warning, you have to answer one question from the test-the one pertaining to the rule you broke.
Oh, and btw I support :3

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Bump for Furret since this really is a suggestion I wholeheartedly support.

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No support as like Riako says, it scares away new users. Which other game do you see this stuff happening?
In reality, schools don't ask students to read the school rules, they are enforced (aka given warning) when they don't behave. For those who are working,you won't like to read the company rules and policies?

Issues can be solved over time, bit by bit. Spamming issue, there could be a simple block button on palpad or some restriction of typing too fast and such stuff? For begging, no rules ain't gonna stop them anyway.. etc etc.

Erm-
thsheng, don't you think that the fact that only a TINY AMOUNT of new users actually read the rules and thus make other users uncomfortable by breaking them?
Also, if you were really going to register, I'd say that a test of the rules is fair- I've seen quite a lot of other sites starting to use this (or age verification to check that one is mature enough to behave without reading the rules which cannot apply here).

I myself had no idea that the Rules page existed until a someone helpfully provided a link.

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@thsheng, my school actually makes you read them so um ^^ that's a false statement

Also Riako never said it WOULD scare away new users. He said it MAY. And he would rather put the test when someone tries to make their first forum post. Which means, he's not totally against this. Please don't quote someone if you don't know what they actually said ^^

As for typing restrictions, some people type really fast and type a lot. And, it isn't spam. But the thing would take it as spam if that were implemented so, no thanks. As for me I never finish my thoughts in one sentence in a group chat/a pal pad so I don't think that would be nice.

Also many suggestions about a block button have been made, but as you can see, 2 years later, and none of them have been implemented. The only thing like that is for "Friend's only" pal pad, but that doesn't stop feed/PM spammers.

As for beggars, sure a rule is not going to stop them, but I'm pretty sure that's because most people don't read the rules in the FIRST place. I was thinking if people were MADE to read them in the first place, it'd help a little bit with people causing problems ^^

@Dakar, I've seen sites do this too. A lot of people just click the "I agree to the Terms/Rules" button and carry on, with out even actually reading the rules/terms.

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Let me just add something about school rules. Every single year, at least from middle school up, I was actually given the rules for the school in a booklet. I was to take it home and get it signed by my parents and bring it back. On top of that, I was Tested on the rules on the third day of school, every single year.

So, erm, yeah, some schools do expect you to read the rules and you get a grade based on if you actually did or not.

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As for typing too fast and such for a block in palpad, unless the spammers are copy-pasting, this wouldn't stop them. And depending on how fast it takes to trigger the block, I'd be blocked most of the time. I type pretty fast, to the point that people have told me many times that they can't watch me type because it gives them a headache. (And teachers used to be mildly annoyed when I was transferring my essays to the computer during class, as I'd be done with the transfer with over half the class left, and we weren't supposed to edit the wording or anything, so I'd go play games, lol)

And there are times when copy-pasting is legitimately fine in palpad. (Such as sharing something with friends whom you don't want outsiders to interfere with. Or pasting links for images to them, which is what I do rather frequently)

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Other websites have started doing this as well. Quiz on the rules before joining, which does deter some new members. Or they do a quiz before using the social aspects of the site (PMs, Palpad, and forums, in this case) which does cut out on a lot of spam on those sites.
If English is not their native language, and they want to play the game and use the forums, they can use a translator if needed. It's not the best way to do things, but the whole website is in English, which means if they can't understand the rules in English and can't understand it in general, then it'll be hard for them to participate in the social aspects of the game anyways, as harsh as it is to say.

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I think this a a great idea.
However when you first join you probably wont know all the rules and being tested on material your not certan of isn't exactly fair. This would scare new users away and most probably make it more difficult to register, and honestly I really hate when a site takes forever to register on. I know your just trying to help and make people more aware of the rules, but I honestly don't think this will discourage people from breaking them. people will still make excuses and to be honest some people lie about knowing the rules. a test on them probably won't prevent that and I think it just will make everything more dificult for new users, even if the test is simple.
In all, I like the idea but I don't think we should give a test to new users whom may not know anything about the questions or their answers. it just makes things more complex and I think it's everyone's job on site to teach newbies the rules, not a test that will be forgotten after a week of playing.

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@Amethyst

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So the basic idea is that when a person is first signing up to be a member of the site, they have to take (and pass) a simple test over the rules. This would be similar to an "open book test" where people can look at the rules when they are taking it.

Quote from Furret

This can help make sure that newer members are aware that there ARE rules that they (and everyone else), need to FOLLOW. Now, this does not guarantee that these people will still not break the rules, it just seems like it would help because then everyone would at least be aware of them and have read them from the start.

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Well, in my opinion if someone thinks that taking a simple test over the rules is "too hard," it just goes to show that they probably weren't going to follow the rules anyway, and that can also show that they didn't TRULY want to be a member in the first place.

I kind of already covered most of what you said, heh.

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