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remove "in ??? dp spent new plushies"
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Posted: Wed, 02/09/2015 13:07 (9 Years ago)
"??? more Dream Points have to be spent at the Dream World Shop until new Plushies are added to the shop."
Why?
Our artist don't have enough time for new plushies. This means the bar is often at 0 for weeks.
Just like the release date of updates it would be nice to have more information than "relase date was 3 weeks ago". Like the news Riako gave us about the big spring update(s).
Some users think "bar is incentive to spend DP". This might be a valid reason. "I spend more dp for getting new plushies (faster)". BUT this doesn't work anymore if the bar doesn't fit at all with the amount of plushies our artist can make.
replacement for the bar:
"There will be new plushies whenever our artist have the time."
or news to the actual situation like "no new plushies in the next 12 weeks"
last edit: 05/Sep/2015 21:55
Posted: Wed, 02/09/2015 21:01 (9 Years ago)
I do believe Mari had some extras done that riako hasnt added yet - but it is his choice not to add those at the moment.
As they are both real people with actual lives (and in mari's case school all year long) I suggest you be patient.
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Posted: Wed, 02/09/2015 22:35 (9 Years ago)
The game says "0 more Dream Points have to be spent at the Dream World Shop until new Plushies are added to the shop."
If the staff has not enough free time just remove this false information or make always a 1 month buffer if noone has free time so the counter doesn't lie for weeks.
Posted: Wed, 02/09/2015 22:42 (9 Years ago)
Once that bar is reached, no other plushies HAVE to be purchased in order to get new plushies added to the shop. However, it doesn't state that once the bar hits zero that the new stock will be added right away.
By changing it to mandatory updates once or twice a month, it makes it harder on the staff when they do get busy for a bit, since instead of having the buffer of however long it takes for the bar to fill up + however long it takes to add the plushies, they are now held to a strict schedule, and with Mari being in school, sometimes she doesn't have time in a month to draw up more plushies to keep the stock full.
This means even more disappointment as if this change is made, then if the date is missed, it really will be a lie to all the users instead of just a delayed fill to something without a strict deadline.
Posted: Wed, 02/09/2015 23:05 (9 Years ago)
And every time something does not update asap according to a schedule, people message riako. Three people make a bug report. Even if it was a small bug he didnt anticipate because he sleeps.
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Posted: Wed, 02/09/2015 23:16 (9 Years ago)
At the moment: bar buffer (less than a month for sure)+ time to add plushies
suggestion: "once a month", but no set date. --> A lot more flexibily.
It wasn't "new Plushies on 1.[month]" I said "new Plushies once a month"
if you want the math: you have 1,5 months of beeing busy and 2 weeks after for drawing new Plushies. 1 Plushie buffer adds 4 weeks of nothing to do
Posted: Thu, 03/09/2015 10:45 (9 Years ago)
The bar might not be a lie, but it is 'unfair'... It gets filled as we spend DP and it never takes more than a month to fill one, so if the Dream Shop isn't 'updated' within a month of the bar being filled, we are essentially being cheated out of a second batch of new plushies...
I'm not saying they should drop everything for the Dream Shop; real life exists and there are things that can't (and shouldn't) be rushed, but the basics of the Dream Shop could use a second thought.
Maybe it can be fixed by simply increasing the bar (exponentially), so it does take at least a month before it's filled, maybe removing it altogether and replacing it with a more defined, but still flexible, schedule is the way to go,... it's something that Riako and Marikot can figure out for themselves, without us forcing them to keep it/to remove it.
Also, I can't be the only one who notices that the wait-time has been increasing; the bar is filled quicker and quicker and we can't (nor should we) expect Marikot (or Riako) to keep up with that pace.
The bar used to be an incentive to get users to send plushies, but it fulfilled its purpose almost too good, so reworking the dynamics of the bar (and whether or not it's still needed) should be at least considered.
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Posted: Thu, 03/09/2015 10:51 (9 Years ago)
Also, as for the DP bar: Riako has doubled the amount of DP spent once, and he can easily do it again. That shouldn't be an issue, really.
Having a batch of plushies released every X amount of time is not going to help me at all. I'm almost done with school (I have 6 months left), but the last 3 months are going to be a full-time internship. After that, it'll be a full-time job.
So in situations like this month, when I'm going to be extremely busy, are going to happen again. I don't intend on quitting the staff that soon because making plushies is like my stress reliever. However, I can't be bound to a schedule that I know is not going to work for me.
Unless we find someone who can finish up the plushies digitally for me (and believe me, I've looked), I don't think this should happen at all.
Posted: Thu, 03/09/2015 18:08 (9 Years ago)
I don't get it why you disagree so much. By replacing the text with "There will be new Plushies once a month" the schedule gets a lot more flexible.
By deleting the bar there would be no schedule at all.
Mirkot said there will be a lot rl stuff for her, so why keep a schedule / the bar?
note: The example in the first post is just like that. If the schedule can not be respected then update or remove it.
Posted: Thu, 03/09/2015 20:50 (9 Years ago)
In my opinion, no it would not make the schedule "more flexible."
If it said "There will be new Plushies once a month." - I believe this was already stated but - this only make it more stressful, and if new plushies aren't added at least once a month then, people are going to start complaining. Which is annoying.
We should keep a bar because it - as already stated - is an incentive. It also gives people a basic idea that when the bar hits 0, that new plushies will be added sometime in the future. Maybe soon, maybe not.
I personally feel like this would not help in any way, so no support. The plushies might not get updated right away when that bar hits 0, but so what? We just have to wait.
Posted: Thu, 03/09/2015 21:09 (9 Years ago)
Okay Im not gonna lie, Ive asked people around and they are just as lost as me. I fail to see your point, where you say the schedule is going to be more flexible? Releasing a whole batch of plushies once or twice a month is going to get extremely rushed for me. The bar itself usually takes around 3 weeks to fill up, which is already pretty much a new batch once a month.
UNLESS.
You mean releasing 1-2 plushies every 15 days/every month. This would be kind of doable I suppose, even though I'm pretty sure there would be unhappy people with the amount of plushies released everytime (since we usually release around 8 in every batch).
But then again, there's always unhappy people.
Maybe you should elaborate a bit what you mean with your suggestion.
Posted: Fri, 04/09/2015 03:06 (9 Years ago)
Basically the bar is your schedule for new plushies. But it doesn't fit at all. If the schedule often can not be respected don't use one.
--> remove it and let Riako tell us when new Plushies are released
leave a "whenever our artist has enough time for awesome new Plushies" instead
optional
or change it to "once a month"
"once a month" = time difference between 2 releases can be up to 60 days
bar gives you ~3weeks, once a month gives you on average 4 weeks but (once) up to 8 weeks if needed. 6 weeks no time for plushies? no problem for this schedule. (but for the bar it would be a problem)
Posted: Fri, 04/09/2015 03:57 (9 Years ago)
It's not a schedule though? It's an incentive to spend DP. Like I said, new plushies are not going to be added right around the time the bar hits 0.
I mean, it's not wrong. It's not lying. No more Dream Points HAVE to be spent for new plushies to be added. But this bar does not say a date to when they are going to be added, hence it is not a schedule. It is just telling us that we don't need to spend anymore DP to eventually get new plushies.
As for the other option, do you mean a full batch of plushies? (Which is usually 8 new plushies). Or do you mean just 1-2 new plushies each month?
The reason it takes so long to add them after the bar hits 0 is because Mari has to have around 8 new plushies to be added. BUT with her current real life problems and such - it is not possible to make a full batch. Which is why no new ones are being added.
Like Mari herself said, she could probably do 1-2 plushies every half month to a month. But then wouldn't people just complain about less plushies being added than before?
Anyways, I still don't see how this could help anyone, so I'm still on the no support side.
Posted: Fri, 04/09/2015 14:22 (9 Years ago)
Do you know this story? The bar is the boy. The wolf are new plushies.
This results in no one respecting the bar.
New plushies or plushie events or plushie hoards or new users who need all plushies are incentives to spend dp.
Posted: Sat, 05/09/2015 13:53 (9 Years ago)
Posted: Sat, 05/09/2015 21:55 (9 Years ago)
optinal "once a month" text removed because useres say "once a month" isn't more flexible than "new plushie when bar at 0 (~3 weeks), "marikot is not a robot"
Make sure you understand that this suggestion is not about "artist is too lazy , 100 Plushies a month pls" it's about how pokeheroes anounces new plushies.
Posted: Sat, 05/09/2015 22:39 (9 Years ago)
I really wanna know what your response to this is - like maybe suggesting releasing fewer to match the bar, or releasing 2-4 a month (with Mari's current schedule).
Because with something like that (ie, a second option) you wouldn't appear to be demanding plushies now, which is what it feels like.
Even responding to people's concerns gives us a better idea of what you actually want.
Right now you appear to want mari to make eight plushies every month or so, which she can't do.
Alternative solution:
Each time the bar reaches 0, 2-3 plushies are released. At the same time, one of the limited plushies restocks to compensate for the smaller amount of plushies.
-or-
Suggest having artist applications open up to get an assistant for Mari. Someone who can work from her sketches and make them digital, or who can do a couple plushies to go along with Mari's
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Posted: Sun, 06/09/2015 02:05 (9 Years ago)
Assuming that the bar release date is respected this would make the things more flexible. 6 weeks with zero time to make plushies are possible with such a schedule.
But it's seems like noone likes this optional part and even with this higher flexibilty than the bar has at the moment it it seems like it would not be enough time.
And everyone seems to assume that the bar doesn't matter at all for plushie releases. = "I appear to be demanding plushies"
But then the bar is pointless. Because exchange new plushies and spend a lot dp for new plushies is less true then exchange new plushies and wait 6(?) weeks for new plushies.
That's why I don't like the bar.
here starts the suggetion; nothing about more plushies?!
--> remove the bar
Put a text there like "whenever artist has enough time there will be new plushies".
If marikot has the time for a complete set or already completed a set she put a release date there.
Like "In 1 week new plushies."
Yes I would like to have a lot more plushies but the annoying part for me is the fake release date.
Posted: Thu, 17/09/2015 15:22 (9 Years ago)
Also- Once a month is not "more flexible" if anything it forces Mari to make plushies in a month - which is another flaw that I see with this suggestion - if she doesn't have time to release them once a month users will feel cheated and will basically demand plushies that were promised.
So for now- No support. I might change my mind if you give better argument instead of just repeating yourself though.
Posted: Thu, 17/09/2015 15:50 (9 Years ago)
- suggetion doesn't say more plushies pls, it's about how new plushies are announced
"I don't want to see the bar removed and no matter how many times I read through your comments I am still really confused about this whole suggestion. "
- feedback would be nice so I can fix the confusing parts. Just saying "It's confusing" doesn't help me improveing the suggestion.
"Once a month is not "more flexible""
- looks like you ignored the "Assuming that the bar release date is respected"
The bar doesn't matter at all for new plushie releases --> once a month is not more flexible
The term "once a month" was removed long time ago because of all the users only understanding "more plushies faster pls". Just like you.
suggetion in 2 sentences: remove the bar because it is not accurate. replace it with the actual progress information.