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Some people troll too much.Thay provide a link in their signature for clcking a pokemon and when we click it,it takes us to another link wher a song is played and says you have been trolled.It usually appears in the middle of some pokemon clickable orginnaly.It is really irritating

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This has already been suggested before, but it has my full support. People who use these don't come across as funny; they come across as the immature and juvenile type.

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It depends on what you mean, if you mean screamers, sure, support, but as you mean the troll song, as long as they don't do it too much, it is fine. I myself enjoy to troll people sometimes.
Neutral.

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Rightly said Diana.I strictly feel that trolling and other such things should be banned.

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I understand that it gets annoying sometimes, but most of the time, it's lighthearted. What's stopping you from politely asking the person to stop? If they don't when you ask them to, then maybe this would be necessary, but I honestly don't see the problem, and I haven't heard of any cases when someone was explicitly asked to stop trolling, so as far as I know, there's no proof that it won't work.

If you're not sure if something is a troll, you can look at the button. The gradient is reversed when you hover over it; if you are hovering over it and the gradient isn't different from when you are not hovering over it, it is a fake.

Also, some people just make custom sprites of their Pokémon. That doesn't mean they're trolling - they still link to a Pokémon of the right species that is on PH. Is that "trolling?" Would it be disallowed? That's posting artwork and connecting it to an existing Pokémon, not intentionally trying hard just to trick someone and annoy them, but it's still a sprite of a Pokémon that doesn't lead to a Pokémon quite like it. If this would be disallowed, you'd be stopping artwork.

Really, rules such as this have to be very detailed and thought out before they're posted, or you may seem to disallow something you want to be allowed, or vice versa. People are less likely to support a suggestion if they don't know for sure what is being suggested.

Until we actually know for sure that people won't stop if you ask them to do so (in which case you can always ask a moderator for help anyway, if it's bothering you THAT much), and there are enough details in the suggestion for me to know exactly what would and wouldn't be allowed, I do not support.

(Edited because I was slightly off in my description of the buttons.)

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These trolls do no harm except maybe bruise an ego or two.

And there is no way to disallow these, what would you want to happen? Have Riako prevent links that leave the site from being posted? There would be literally no way to stop this.

But really. The main point is there is no harm, and if anything it might make you feel silly or embarrassed but who's going to know you actually clicked the link anyway? It's not as if someone is going to point and laugh at you for clicking a fake link, no one is calling to call you out for it, when they don't even know you clicked it. So it's more of a personal feeling of "ugh I can't believe I fell for that." Doesn't mean an entire thing should be disallowed because one person couldn't take that feeling for a few seconds. If anything, I consider it rather immature to go "Ugh! How dare that person do that! I'm going to try and make a rule get passed so I'll never have to experience embarrassment ever again for falling for such a trap."

It seems like a pride thing to me, because some people don't want to or can't take a joke when they think such a joke harms how intelligent they look. Kind of like saying "how was I so dumb that I fell for this? I'm going to be mad at the person who posted this." No one thinks you're dumb, so if that's the problem you shouldn't feel too bad. It's usually a cleverly disguised link and it's often in jest or humorous, never meant to attack users to make them feel foolish.

If it's such a bother for you, then it seems more of a personal problem, for every site you go to is going to have such fake links and trolls from time to time. Does it mean you'll write a complaint to YouTube, Tumblr, Twitter, Facebook, because of fake links? Probably not, most likely you shrug it off and continue on with your day after wasting two seconds. So why not do the same here?

So no support, there is no harm in this worth making a rule against it or banning outside links.

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Zero support
You know,trolling is common in ALL the internet,you will see a LOT of trolls in it(Even our admin trolls sometimes)And like pumpkaboo said,there is no harm in the troll widgets,and like carpet said,there are easy to identify,and your idea is literally ban jokes(Thing thats really ridiculousin my opinion,because they were made to make people laugh,and they SHOULDN'T be taken seriously)

Trolling does not equal making a funny joke. Trolling equals unintelligent people who need to feel like they're doing something funny and need attention. If you're going to try and come across as funny, make a creative joke or something. These are so old. They are as old as the internet itself. I'd just like to see just one website that people don't ruin with stupid things like this.

I understand where Carpet is coming from, though, and kinda feel the same way. I just think the more extreme forms of trolling need to be under check.

For those of you who are ok with trolling, let me ask you this: Are you ok with people breaking the rules, posting a million feeds a day, etc.? Because those can be methods of trolling, and I've seen people get pissed off at people who do them. So if you're not ok with those forms of trolling, why would you be ok with other forms?

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For those of you who are ok with trolling, let me ask you this: Are you ok with people breaking the rules, posting a million feeds a day, etc.? Because those can be methods of trolling, and I've seen people get pissed off at people who do them. So if you're not ok with those forms of trolling, why would you be ok with other forms?

You mean spamming? People who spam are actually breaking a rule, and it has been considered harmful due to clogging up forum posts, filling notifications (and even then most people just unfriend those people so they don't have to see all those feeds and thus solve that problem), and causing lag or making threads overall look a mess by posts such as "hi" over and over in suggestions or trading forums.

Someone putting something in their signature is no way comparable to that. It's their signature, doesn't effect your notifications or your threads or suggestions or the performance of the site. So no, people shouldn't be okay with something that is harmful like spamming verses something that isn't like putting links in your signature. I don't understand your comparison and don't think it applies to this situation.

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Trolling equals unintelligent people who need to feel like they're doing something funny and need attention

This seems more like you have a person vendetta against those who "troll" by insulting their intelligence and their motives. It is your personal opinion, all be it right or wrong, and that's fine. However, claiming it's harmful to others or bad for people to do just because you don't like it isn't fair or reasonable. If you really are that annoyed by trolls, then the internet might just be an uncomfortable place to be. They're everywhere, and they'll always happen. You can either not let it bother you or be angry and upset and insult said "trollers" but the first option seems better in my opinion.

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First of all,a troll is NOT always an unintelligent person,thats rude,second trolling means that:Making a joke,and about the ways of trolling is easy to answer:Because there is a HUGE difference between what you said and what does BreathInfernape complains,because meanwhile the million posts is something that can be announced as SPAM(thing that is illegal in almost everywhere),a troll widget is something simple,does not gives problems to anybody,and in sometimes can be funny
What i mean is that trolling is OK meanwhile it does not make reals problems like SPAM,etc. c:

Fine, Shedinja. People who troll make themselves appear unintelligent. Better?

That's exactly my point. You might not find trolling to be agrivating, but that doesn't mean everybody doesn't. I'm starting to wonder if you've ever been on Facebook or any other mainstream site. Those are chalked with trolling, and it can get quite annoying. I've been told by people who quit Facebook mainly that it was because of the excessive trolling. It's nice to be somewhere where you don't see people doing that.

I don't mind the widget thing as long as it takes you to a safe website only or whatever. If it has something like loud music, that's when I do support this. I'm talking more extreme forms.

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Things with loud music, scary images, etc. are considered screamers and have been called harmful on another suggestion. This suggestion was about a troll site that sings Trololo in a low tone and is no way hardly for seizures or anything of the sort.

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it takes us to another link wher a song is plyed and says you have been trolled

Another suggestion, found here is probably where you want to voice your dislike for trolls that lead to scary images or produce loud noise, since this suggestion is a bit different.

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I don't mind the widget thing as long as it takes you to a safe website only or whatever. If it has something like loud music, that's when I do support this. I'm talking more extreme forms.

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You just quoted how Barath said that it was about loud music and claim it's different? .-. I already mentioned it was already suggested. Granted, I didn't post the link to the other thread, but honestly, I was very tired and had very little motivation to do anything.

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No, he didn't say loud, he said music. The site he is talking about is not loud or in an "extreme form" as you said. Pretty sure nowhere in that quote was the word loud said haha. The site even has a "Pause" button for the song, if you can't stand it, and doesn't take up full screen or hold scary images or anything. It's a troll face, looking trolly in a new tab with a song.

And that's fine, I posted the link for you it's no problem. Just saying, don't mix two suggestions together, since they're different. One is about seizures and scary pop ups, this is about a link to the song "Trololo" which isn't loud. The second kind of trolling is not harmful, a joke, and maybe annoying if anything. But not harmful.

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There's a song called "Trololo"? Now, that's just stooping low. Lol ok, I thought he was referring to the Conga thing.

I still support the suggestion, in general, though.

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Hey,sometimes,there is a link written dont click here.When we click it,it calls us a stupid poohead and it continues for 5 minutes or more telling things and going on.Somebody came across that?

Thank you Diana for all your support.

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Changing my neutral vote, no support.
This is like saying, Hello, welcome to Pokeheroes, we do NOT allow jokes or anything amusing at all. We only allow boring stuff.
Anyways, you can put your mouse over the link to see where it leads you, so you can avoid trolls, you couldn't stop people wanting to do it anyways, Riako trolls a bit sometimes, so do most of us. So that is similar to suggesting Riako is breaking a rule.

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This would stop jokes and amusing stuff? That is amusing in and of itself, because trolling was never funny to begin with.

Riako does actually break the rules, sometimes. He has that right as Admin. That's not an excuse. Also, his form of trolling isn't even the extreme kind that I'm sure most people who supported this was thinking of. Saying that you can't stop it is not a good reason, either. That's like saying "You can't stop people from cursing or posting multiple times in a row, so you shouldn't bother making a rule about it." That is the worst excuse I've seen to not support something.

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Diana, you still haven't answered to the question of the fact you can hover your mouse over the link and you know where it takes you, if suggestions like this kept going around, Pokeheroes would be fairly blank, I like to mild troll and such. Not the scam troll, just the one where you click and get.


Pokeheroes isn't a dull place, lets keep it that way. And I have support from guess who?

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p.s. This sentence you did: Trolling does not equal making a funny joke. Trolling equals unintelligent people who need to feel like they're doing something funny and need attention.

It isn't true, and also, I calculated that if you like trolling in a mild way on the Internet from early age, your twice as likely to have a good sense of humour or/and become a comedian.
You seem to hate trolls, what have they done to you. X3

That is calling me unintelligent, what isn't really true considering I had the best grammar in my old school, for my class, and have had almost perfect grammar since being 7.
Some people might consider me unintelligent, that is fine, but not that bad. (P.P.S. I never troll for attention)

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I don't have a mouse. After all, I'm on an iPad. And the "mild troll" isn't the one I'm saying should be banned. Look at my other posts. Whether or not it's a dull place is really a matter of opinion. Excessive trolling can make it go from a nice place, to a place many people really don't want to visit anymore.

Also, I noticed a pretty big double-standard. Most people are ok with popular people trolling, but all of the sudden if a newbie does it, it's annoying. I think it's annoying no matter who does it.

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