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CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 21:38 (8 Years ago)
	Once again, you have no right to tell me to be quiet. I'm not doing anything wrong by not supporting a suggestion. In fact, the mere fact that this is a forum should be proof enough that I'm SUPPOSED to tell you if I don't support a suggestion. It could have been avoided if I wasn't repeatedly insulted for doing just that. [Read more]

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Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 21:35 (8 Years ago)

The definition of ignorant:
"lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated."
Posting despite being told not to do so is not ignorance. It is defiance. And you can't force someone not to voice their opinion, or tell them to stop posting on your suggestion. They're allowed to make their argument. That's why this is a forum and why replies are allowed to begin with.
So no, to both of you. I'm not being ignorant. And by the way, name-calling is NOT justifiable, even if I was being ignorant.

By the way, asking for defense from friends is not "bullying." Insulting someone is. I'm still not the one "bullying" anyone.

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CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 21:25 (8 Years ago)
	You did say the things I claimed you said. Dhoulmagus, I AM UNDERSTANDING THAT. I've also explained how I'm NOT THE ONE BEING NEGATIVE HERE. Listen to what I'm saying and stop acting like you're COMPLETELY IN THE RIGHT for INSULTING ME simply because I DISAGREE WITH YOU AND AM BEING "NEGATIVE." [Read more]

CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 21:20 (8 Years ago)
	You called me "ignorant" and said a feature that affects the community is "none of [my] concern," effectively claiming I'm not a member of the community despite having actively participated in the site since only a week after its creation, solely because I don't agree with you. If that's not an insult, I don't know what is. [Read more]

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Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 21:13 (8 Years ago)

Actually, we are being forced to have people post on our profiles. We can choose not to post on theirs, but that doesn't stop them from using the feature on us.
And I don't appreciate being called ignorant and negative for disliking a suggestion when someone else is getting away with actually insulting me, calling me stupid and saying I am incapable of thinking and comprehending social standards. How am I the one being "negative" here?
I have explained multiple times why it does not have any actual use and that it can be used to post hurtful messages, a point which you are actually proving RIGHT NOW, and that you can already talk to people in a way that is no less useful and no more difficult to use. Meanwhile, you have ceaselessly insulted me for no reason and not actually explained yourself, and insisted that I don't understand "social standards." Clearly you're the one who doesn't know what is socially acceptable if you think publicly insulting someone is going to get them to "drop it."
And for the record, the staff doesn't just look at the numbers. They read the posts, too. And they consider their own opinions. If all they see is that people are being bullied into supporting the suggestion, it doesn't matter what the numbers say - it's not getting accepted.

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Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 20:55 (8 Years ago)

QuoteIf there is no profanity or obscenity being posted

That's a REALLY big if, considering that you're insulting me right now over this very discussion. There's no guarantee that people WON'T do what you're doing right now, so yes, there IS a good chance that people will say bad things.
And besides, I've explained why no good will come of it period (because it's utterly useless), while you're only asserting that "if no bad comes of it, then no bad will come of it" and throwing around insults like confetti. It's easy to see who has the superior argument here.

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Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 20:07 (8 Years ago)

Excuse me?! You don't call people STUPID and assert that they CANNOT THINK because they disagree with you and have a perfectly valid reason to do so.
First of all, how do I not have a right to not WANT messages about me publicly posted on my profile?
Second, how is that, as you claim, the premise of the idea when the original poster said in his second post that the user would, "of course," still have to approve all messages on his or her profile?
Third, how does messages being public make any difference in the fact that you have to wait for the user to reply?

The answers:
> I do.
> It's not.
> It doesn't.

(Oh, and for the FOURTH time now, this has already been suggested. ♥)

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CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 18:25 (8 Years ago)
	Why? It's unnecessary, because, as I have linked twice now, there is a thread with the same idea from before you said this. [Read more]

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Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 18:21 (8 Years ago)

You can't say "of course" the user can decide now. It was absolutely not obvious, because you never said anything of the sort. Please add details to your suggestions instead of leaving them up to everyone's imagination, especially if you're going to act like they were obviously included and it was your plan all along afterwards. Nobody is going to guess what you mean in a suggestion if you don't say it.
Every suggestion is "only a suggestion." That's not a defense against criticism.

Also, in case you didn't see my edit, this was already suggested. It was literally the first thread in the forum when you made this thread. Please don't post duplicate suggestions - use the other thread to post your opinion.

Quotealso you not being an admin on this page does not effect me in the slightest, i know peoples opinions are aloud but you negativity is not.

Can you explain what you mean by this? I have no idea what you just said.

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Posted: Wed, 22/07/2015 18:14 (8 Years ago)

You can just use the Pal Pad search function at the bottom to look for their username. I personally wouldn't want people using my profile as a message board, so unless the user whose profile is being used can delete the messages people post on it and/or need to approve everything that gets posted, I would really rather not have this feature.

Edit: Also, this was already suggested. Literally the top thread in the forum when you were posting this. Please make an effort to avoid posting suggestions that have already been made by either using the forum search or just looking at recent threads.

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Posted: Tue, 21/07/2015 14:29 (8 Years ago)

I don't support giving them as vouchers, because vouchers can be traded, which means people can get the EggDex entries without getting them themselves.
I wouldn't be opposed to requiring an empty space in your party.
Alternatively, you can make it so that once you find the Egg, the Tunnel just stores that information internally (not in the form of an item!) so you can claim it from the main page like in the Safari Zone.

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Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 19:38 (8 Years ago)

Fakemon are fanmade Pokémon.
Forms are not Pokémon.
Therefore, fanmade forms are not fanmade Pokémon and are not Fakemon.
Also, allow me to compare events to Shellos.
Shellos are the same species, but have alternate forms that cannot change, and are fixed at birth and retained through evolution (that is, East Sea cannot become West Sea).
Event Pokémon are the same species, but have alternate forms that cannot change, and are fixed at birth and retained through evolution (that is, Spring Mareep cannot become Mareep).
Event Pokémon are more or less in the same situation as Shellos.
Which is classified with forms.
If fanmade forms ARE considered Fakemon, then why are events not...?

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CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 19:33 (8 Years ago)
	Mega Evolutions are also the same Pokémon. It's not a matter of opinion; that's what they are. They are form differences, not separate Pokémon. Check the Pokédex of either PH or the official games if you don't believe me. Same number, and, in the official games, same entry - just listed under forms. [Read more]

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Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 19:28 (8 Years ago)

Skar - I wasn't being sarcastic or mocking or anything (so no need to say "calm down" as if I'm somehow overreacting?). I genuinely don't know what you mean, because you said "for reasons already stated" and I explained beforehand why the reasons that were already stated didn't apply. You didn't actually give a reason, so no, I don't know what you meant.
Mojoryan - Megas are just alternate forms, canonically speaking, so they are still the same Pokémon just with modifications. And besides...

Which of these looks more different from normal Ampharos? Spring Ampharos has flowers growing all over it, lacks the trademark tail light, and is a completely different color; Mega Ampharos is actually less different, with just a slightly lighter shade of yellow, slightly altered markings, and its fluff (which is precedented by Mareep and Flaaffy and less different than suddenly being floral).

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CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 19:02 (8 Years ago)
	You don't support for... which reasons that were already stated? Did I miss some? I thought I already countered the reasons that were already stated. [Read more]

CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 18:41 (8 Years ago)
	As requested in the above post, could you please explain why you think these would be Fakemon and the existing Events are not? [Read more]

CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 18:28 (8 Years ago)
	I would love twelve packs! C: [Read more]

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Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 18:11 (8 Years ago)

Okay, I'd like to make a full post, bringing in points from ALL of the threads, and encourage everyone to participate.

This thread dominantly showed support and all of the disagreement that occurred in the beginning, unlike in the next thread, was resolved, with the idea that they could be randomly obtained just like normal Megas, but be event-only (that is, limited-time only) and be made available through special items after the event ended to make up for the fact that they couldn't be in the Event Shop. The only concerns that remained were the workload.
This thread showed that some people disagreed with the idea because new Mega Evolutions would be considered Fakemon. There was some discussion about why they would be considered Fakemon or, for that matter, any different from other PH events, and the thread died on a higher note but without any actual consensus on the matter.
Posts in this thread expressed concerns about the workload and the possibility of official Megas being released later, creating conflict.

I (very, very briefly) spoke to Riako about the idea of having one as an event, because event ideas are supposed to be sent privately to avoid spoilers before they are released. He brought up the point that it being so luck-based may be problematic for people in a limited-time event, and the general lack of support (detailed above), but encouraged me to continue discussing it here.

As such, I am going to address the points against custom Mega Evolutions and explain why I feel that they should be implemented and made available by limited-time event, rather than permanent additions made available in the same way as normal Mega Pokémon.

> Workload issues
Nobody said that there had to be 25-30 released at once. Rather, they would be added one at a time, not frequently, but every few months.

I sent an example I created to Riako (a design and a potential finished sprite) to express the fact that they are not difficult to create every once in a while. It took about an hour and a half total to design it and create the sprite, in one sitting - and event sprites are rarely created in one sitting anyway, so it wouldn't even require that much free time or energy - and I volunteered to create them myself if needed (I'm not a hired PH spriter, but I have a lot of practice with designing Megas and spriting in the official style, so I wouldn't mind contributing), if the workload really is too great for our current spriters (even though, again, nobody said they had to make a ton at once - making one every few months is no different from what they already do with events - so that isn't even a valid concern).
I don't know if I'm allowed to post it in case it is approved due to the mandatory "surprise" factor of events, but I'll attach it here if I am.

> Replacement issues
People have claimed that Game Freak making official Megas of the same species would be a problem. If I may ask, how?
We already have Charizard, which has a chance of being Mega X or Mega Y; additionally, the original thread with this idea decided that they would be events and limited-time-only under most circumstances, so this would really not be a concern anyway.

> Luck issues
To get one from the original event would be extremely luck-based, since it's just like a normal Mega but with limited availability. I don't deny this.
Instead, I bring up a counterpoint: these would be made available later, be it through the Event Shop (past events have already given out Eggs that are guaranteed to be Mega-able, so that's not an issue) or through some kind of "pass" that lets you get past event Megas normally while you have it (as suggested in the other threads with the Old Charm idea).
Additionally, the Hoenn Retros were made exactly like this when they were added. You had a limited time to hatch a bunch of their appropriate Eggs and hope for the best. They were then re-added much later, in a new Rumble Area... that was also event-only, though you had as long as you needed to use it once you did get it; you still can't get those three Retros without trading if you missed both events. Having an Old Charm/"old Mega pass" to obtain them after the event would be similar to this, except NOT being event-only (which makes it even easier) but POTENTIALLY expiring (which is still up in the air, but would still be balanced considering that they wouldn't be event only and the Rumble Area would).

So, the only concern that actually remains is the Fakemon issue. I still believe these would be no different from Events in that regard, since they're not new Pokémon (they're alternate forms), but since that was debated, I suppose that can be considered.

What is your stance on whether or not they would be considered Fakemon, and do you have any issues other than the ones addressed in this post?

(And Snorlaxman, the original thread with this idea DID come to the consensus that they should be considered events rather than identical to normal Megas, or people would not support. Please edit the original post to reflect this so people don't object to this based on your suggestion when the actual consensus that should be considered is different.)

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Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 17:11 (8 Years ago)

Tails, this is to get your money back before the auction ends, because auctions can last several days and there are many cases where you'll need money sooner, such as another auction appearing that will end sooner than the first (on which you no longer have enough money to bid anyway and you're just stuck not using the money you bid until long after you might have needed it), or an item that someone is selling but on which someone else could easily offer first. There are plenty of cases where you need the money at a specific time if you're going to get something, and being forced to wait for an auction to end when you aren't even able to get it can be a huge problem. So no, that's not a possible alternative in many cases, and can't be used as a counterargument against this.

I fully support this~

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CarpetMonster OFFLINE Forum Posts: 1,147	Posted: Mon, 20/07/2015 15:25 (8 Years ago)
	Ah. Not every sprite uses the maximum number of colors. Lugia may only use 13, but coding-wise, the maximum (one of which I assure you exists) is indeed 16. Other games may use more, but the Pokémon games themselves use 16 as the maximum. [Read more]

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