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Improved GTS offer page
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Posted: Fri, 07/08/2015 02:48 (8 Years ago)
Posted: Fri, 07/08/2015 05:20 (8 Years ago)
S O R R Y
Posted: Fri, 07/08/2015 05:42 (8 Years ago)
Posted: Fri, 07/08/2015 06:09 (8 Years ago)
Awesome idea
Posted: Fri, 07/08/2015 20:31 (8 Years ago)
Posted: Sat, 08/08/2015 02:34 (8 Years ago)
I dont think it can be used to 'Convert' Currency.. it is Just to exchange it. You have to fill the amount you want to send.
Also there is a tax on Pd option. (with every transaction 5% tax would be deducted) .. so how it can be use to convert currency?
Posted: Sat, 08/08/2015 04:44 (8 Years ago)
I love the idea and I wish something would be done to make trading safer.
SEND ME ANY PLUSHIE I DONT HAVE. THANKS! (:
Posted: Sat, 15/08/2015 12:17 (8 Years ago)
Posted: Mon, 17/08/2015 23:33 (8 Years ago)
I would like to point you to rule 3.3
If you get scammed, it's your fault for not being more responsible. This has been suggestive do many times before as well.
It just seems useless to me.
Also the examples are poorly made
And in my opinion this is very poorly explained
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 01:39 (8 Years ago)
I don't agree that they or anyone else should have to learn responsibility the hard way; they should be able to rely on a system that prevents scamming altogether, or at least reduce the chance of it happening. I'm really confused as to why people would choose not to support this idea because of a rule that personally makes no sense to me. Even large sites like Neopets have scamming prevention.
[Shiny Hunts] [Art Shop]
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 07:08 (8 Years ago)
Where as on here, new players can easily get scammed, and they really shouldn't have to go through that to learn. New players wouldn't really know people that well, and they probably wouldn't know prices that well either. So there is a high possibility of them being scammed. I personally have never been scammed, not even when I was a new player, but still, I've never been a huge fan of Rule 3.3.
I know that if a user breaks that rule, they are still going to receive a warning, but this honestly does nothing for the user that got scammed. They just basically lose everything. Yes, sure it is "their" fault for trusting that person and agreeing to the trade, but should they really have to be held against that? It's not like they knew they were going to be scammed. It's not like they knew they couldn't trust the user they were trading with. They were just thinking they were trading things and getting something they wanted.
I'm not going to know every single user I trade with. And I don't plan on it, either.
A scam-prevention system would be amazing, and fairly helpful, in my honest opinion. Plus this idea would make trading more simple, since it just sends it all in one trade, rather than having to visit someone's user page to gift them PD/Nuggets. (Which of course is how the scams happen).
So, I give my support.
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 07:22 (8 Years ago)
memqueen -_- ... .. But Anyway... everyone who could understand english can understand this post and understand the example as well. My apologizes if u couldn't ;)
also I didnt understood what do u mean by -
looks like my understanding of english is not good enough. :/
but useless? how can something which can help "reduce scammers and scamming" be useless ?? can u please describe?
If we ask to people who got scammed - they will say it is Very useful.
well There wasn't an art contest going on to describe an idea. still I tried my best to put it all togehter ...I already stated that I used paint tool to make it. Still it seems understandable to me and others... If you could not get what I meant by pics and the whole thing then .. palpad me, may be I will be able to describe it better
hmm.. Now Most Important part which u missed and stated towards the rule "If you get scammed, it's your fault for not being more responsible." so..
here I would like to say - Why let faults to be happen? why let SOME People take advantage of some users who are new and Think that everyone on Ph is as trust able as they themselves are? Why not develop a system where no chance of faults to be happen and where everyone Feels safe? huh?
Last but not the least.. This suggestion is to support the rules. Just to make trading Less risky :).... I Hope no New user Get scammed here and lose his money which he/she really earned by hard work... And a Secure environment develops in trade.
Also Super thanks to Furret, drecedia and all my friends and users whom I dont know well.. who supported it.. lets try not to let anyone get scammed by "Scammers" who lost the real purpose to play this Great Game. Thank you.
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 07:45 (8 Years ago)
Title: good idea
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 14:21 (8 Years ago)
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 14:42 (8 Years ago)
Alternativly: User A offers a shiny Pidgey for 150k. User B wants to trade. User A sets up the trade, and User B sends the PD, then offers on the trade. User A cancels the trade and keeps the PD. How is this User B's fault? These questions are for anyone who doesn't support this because they believe it's the fault of the user who got scammed.
I hate rule 3.3. Very much. It discourages trading and doesn't provide the sense of security the rules should be providing. I always thought about changing the rule, but I like this suggestion a lot. If possible, I'd also like for gems to be included in this.
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 18:46 (8 Years ago)
First of all, I know Meme and you don't get along, but being rude on a forum post to her is no way to get people to support you. :/ Suggestions are supposed to be formal and well put together, with honest responses and with with honest feedback, NOT knocking on each other for typos.
3.3 sounds more like it's trying to protect the Admin and Mods from being pumbled by "USER X IS A SCAMER REFUND ME NOW !!!1111!!!" messages.
This is a common sense clause in most other site's forums. If you don't trust someone, don't trade with them. It doesn't discourage trading, and if you read the rules it should tip you off that there are scammers floating around, even as a kid.
I've been scammed before, lost a lot of pokes. I don't see from the examples how this can be enforced, or made obvious or anything similar, so I guess I'll stay neutral for now. I'm sorry, but TTT still seems to be a better alternative, having a trusted middle-man look everything over. Even in the real games it's far better to trade with someone you know so it's easier to negotiate.
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 18:59 (8 Years ago)
Part of being a moderator is listening to the user base--if the rule is in place just to protect them from being annoyed, then 'moderator' might not be the proper term... All it takes is a response asking for proof: Can't provide proof of being scammed? "Sorry, we can't help."
The Trusted Trading Thread is proof in itself that scammers abound here. We wouldn't NEED the TTT if there were improved trading alternatives.
[Shiny Hunts] [Art Shop]
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 19:06 (8 Years ago)
First of all, MemeQueen herself was saying how unclear she found the suggestion. Since she can point out this, why can't Aragon point out that her post wasn't too clear either? Sounds like some favoritism going on, but let's keep personal events out of this.
Secondly: "USER X WAS ROOD TO ME BAN NOW!!!111!!!", "USER X PUBLICLY SHAMED ME !!!111!". All of these could definitely happen. So protecting the mods and Riako from being pummeled by "refund me now!" isn't a valid reason for this rule, since the same type of thing can happen with rule 1.1 and 1.1.1.
How do you find out that a user can't be trusted? Exactly. You can't. You can make a hypothesis, but you won't ever know until the scamming happens. This is why sites have anti-scamming measures and they don't label it as "common sense". It does discourage trading. "Oh, if I'm scammed, I won't get my stuff back. It's probably better not to trade.".
There is also a big problem with the TTT; mods are all human. If everyone used the TTT, mods would be overwhelmed by the sheer number of users. That's why this is such a good suggestion. It puts Pokemon, PD, and nugget trading all in one place. I'm gonna take the examples from my previous post:
But with this suggestion:
User A offers a shiny Pidgey for 150k. User B wants to trade. User A sets up the Pidgey. User B offer 150k on it from the trade station. If User A wanted to cancel the trade to scam, they'd couldn't. This is because the PD is directly being offered and not gifted.
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 19:39 (8 Years ago)
A user can be found to be trusted by speaking with them. Don't you notice that many people have a "I only trade with people I know" policy already? People they speak with and interact with on a daily basis.
I co-owned a trade shop with several users on a Minecraft Pixelmon server, with currencies that could be bought with real money. We often asked for half payment before, half after the trade was done.
Also, the same "Oh, if I get scammed I won't get my stuff back" can be taken by some users as
"I'd better be careful" more than "Welp, better never touch the GTS".
I Understand where this post is coming from. I know the pains of being scammed, I'm just not seeing the same thing as everyone else. Yes, the TTT isn't going to always be the best option. I'm sure that the Mods don't plan on this being a permanent thing, but there will always be people who want a middleman anyway, and are paranoid about trusting non-mod sources.
Posted: Tue, 18/08/2015 19:47 (8 Years ago)
See, right there. "I only trade with people I know". Because the rules aren't giving enough security to be able to trade with others.
It can be taken that way. But not everyone thinks that way.
If you don't like this suggestion, then do you have any alternatives other than the TTT that could help with preventing scamming? I'm all game to listen (er, read) to any different ideas people have.