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While I see that your concerned it's still quite disrespectful to say it's disgusting, it's not just about freedom it's about what makes people comfortable

And there's more to LGBTQ+ than just gay and lesbian

There's Transgender, Bisexual, Qweer, Asexual, gender-fluid and many more

It's also something many people struggle with, some might be straight in the beginning but mabye they later figure out they like the same gender instead of the opposite or don't really feel like a woman but a man

I myself am still figuring it out what exactly I am

And countries are not brainwashing us, some have even banned being gay (Google it) this is something that started a long time ago and while i agree that there's things wrong in society it's not the LGBTQ+

Thanks for showing your concern but please don't call it disgusting or morally wrong, even if your religious, it's not a good thing and a lot of people will be mad and you'll get a lot of backlash and hate, especially online,

Please just keep things like this to yourself

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Hi, @Malware_Trojan! I am here to converse in good faith with you :)


"I don’t see what the point of being gay or lesbian is."

The point is that gay and lesbian love people just like straight people! It's not something people choose (did you choose to be straight?) and it's simply a word used to explain a part of one's experience in life.

If you're talking about the activism and rights, I personally think that people should have the right to consentually love who they love! People do not choose who they love. They should not be made to feel bad for it just because they love someone different than what others would expect. Besides, it does not affect you what other people do in their own private time, right?


"From a religious and social perspective, it is in my opinion a morally disgusting thing to do."

You mention Islam in your next sentence. Let's look at it. Islam forbids eating pork. Does this mean absolutely everyone, even if those who do not follow Islam, should never eat pork? Should one person's religion dictate how other people should live their lives?

Additionally comes the conflict of one's own religion condemning their lives and private actions. I do not have much insight into this, but some other users might be able to tell you more about how one can be both LGBTQ+ and religious.

And from a social perspective, I ask you: why is it immoral? In specifically gay, lesbian, and bisexuality, why is it immoral to be free to love people? Isn't it more immoral to judge people for loving others and doing what makes them happy?

(Also, if you ponder the question if homosexuality is natural, there are multiple scientific studies on this that you can research! Additionally, if it was unnatural, what is so wrong with it? Buildings are unnatural, yet they provide us shelter and aid in our safety and survival. Technology is unnatural, yet it can be used to advance knowledge and save lives, such as in the medical field. Being unnatural does not necessarily equal being bad.)


"In a religious perspective in the main three religions in the world, Islam, Christianity and Judaism, the topic of LGBTQ is discussed very much and in a way that suggests that it is a disgusting and filthy thing to do."

I am not very familiar with religion, so I sadly cannot discuss with you much about the history of homophobia in religion. Maybe some other users would be open and knowledgeable on this topic though! One thing I have to note is that there are other religions (search this up as i am unaware of the exact ones and do not wish to spread misinformation!) that do support LGBTQ+. Does this mean that those religions are wrong? Or do they simply have different beliefs and that is okay too? Shoudl society be entirely dictated by whoever has the most power and influence over others?

But again, I ask why should we control people's personal lives? Why should we limit what makes them happy and healthy?


"It is crossing the limits, in general."

Crossing the limits of what? That people should be able to do what makes them happy in their personal lives?


"You might say that it is expressing ‘freedom’ or that ‘it is their choice’ but that’s what countries have put in your head."

Do you not think that freedom to be who you are and loving other people is good? Do you disagree with choices other people make in their private lives that make them happy? Do you think everyone should follow exactly what everyone else tells them to do? In countries that do not allow homosexuality, do you think it is right that people who are different do not deserve the same things that make them happy?


"the truth has to come out."

You see, when we are looking at morals, something which changes depending on the person, there is no singular truth. There are simply opinions, and no person is completely right. Belief systems are not truth, they are simply beliefs. Even what I have been debating with you is not truth, but simply opinion.


"it has been bothering me this whole time."

What people do in their own lives bothers you? People not being shamed for something other people do too bothers you? I ask genuinely, why?


"I’m... EXTREMELY concerned for society"

Does people being equal to others concern you, that they can do the same things? People not feeling sad to be themselves make you think the world is ending? People being LGBTQ+ does not hurt society—I think that it actually helps by being compassionate toward others who different and showing that people do not all come identical to each other.

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@Malware_Trojan, I get you have opinions, but this thread is supposed to be a safe place for the LGBTQIA+ Community; not a place to hound us with that type of thing.

Next time; like @~Pikaboo~ said, "... just keep things like this to yourself."

This is not a thread to throw 'religion' and or 'homophobic' opinions at us. This thread is for us to be around people we share a community with and a safe place for us to converse with one another.

Edit: And may I remind you of the literal first post of this thread too. I wouldn't call this bullying, but it is very borderline towards that; depending on the person, who reads your post.

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Hello. I am Baron Bunny. I am pansexual. I hope this place is happy! (Edit: @Malware_Trojan As a Christian myself, I know that nowhere in the bible it says you cant be gay. I have talked with my pastor about this.)

Uno! Y'all know me, y'all love (or hate) me! Pansexual!

Also, I don't care if you're "concerned" or whatnot, that's still not something you should be saying, especially in a forum like this which is meant to be a safe space.

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@Malware_Trojan Hi! I don't usually post in forums like this one, but I'd love to debate.

You mentioned that "from a religious and social perspective", being gay or lesbian is a "disgusting thing to do", and yet only basing that on the main three religions, each made with a certain concept of divinity. Rules can change over the years, so can translations be translated into something else, and people may ignore rules.

In the exact same book in the Bible relating to homosexual relationships, it was mentioned in Leviticus 11:7-11:8 that 11:7 - "And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you" and in 11:8, it says: "Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."

So if this rule was stated in the exact same book as the one that calls man laying with man an abomination, why is it not enforced as strictly as it?

I won't be covering Islam or Judaism, as I'm not that well versed in that topic, and would prefer to debate relating to a religion that I used to be in.

You also mentioned the countries deluding us into believing the LGBTQIA+ is okay because that is what they have "put in your head". But even in the wild, with animals like penguins, giraffes, lions, albatrosses, and many more. If homosexual relationships are so unnatural, why do animals do them? They seem to have existed for a long time, and it doesn't seem like any of the other animals are calling them abominations or disgusting or filthy. They have no governments, or social medias, or pride parades! Surely the animals haven't been brainwashing each other!

People never choose the gender they love. You can't just pick and choose who you like. I'm sure you can agree with me on that, right? You can only choose to accept or deny it. If a man likes a man, he can choose either to accept it or deny it. He can choose to confess or never to say it. I'm sure if he chose to deny it or simply accept his feelings but never say them out loud, you would still treat him like a brother to you, pat him on the back, laugh and talk.

Nothing would change your friendship with him until he decides to say it, right? The only thing that'd change is your blind judgement of him. Imagine if he was your best friend, practically sobbing himself to sleep because he knows he'd never be loved by a man, because he, too, is a man.

Maybe he'd pretend to hate the LGBTQIA+, too, and mock them, just to try and feel better by secretly just expressing his self-hatred. If he were to tell you about his affections, would you not comfort him? Would you turn your back on him?

It's incredibly prejudiced to simply assume that homosexuality is immoral without considering the internal struggle with those going through repression, denial, or discrimination. Is it not more immoral to turn a blind eye at someone being discriminated against simply because they had a little crush? Is it not more immoral to join the herd and point and laugh at said person, who only tried to show love for someone of the same gender? Is that not the greater abomination? You tell me.

special mention, what Orca~ said was really true :)

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Fun fact: Some ancient Romans would be considered gay by today's standards!

Random Quotes, from Gerard Way (and same one in my forum signature)...

"Heroes are ordinary people who make themselves extraordinary."

Good quote, since it is true.

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There is also another, that is good as well...

"Sometimes you have to kind of die inside in order to rise from your own ashes and believe in yourself and love yourself to become a new person."

I live by this one, since I've been through many rough patches in my life; yet I still came out, but I always learned something new to help me in life.

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Something random to share from me.

^ thanks for the wise words!

I have read what everyone had to say and would like to speak in a more respectful tone, sorry for my bad vocabulary at the first post. Sure people should have to freedom to love who they want but freedom is not always a good thing. There are limits to what you should have the freedom to do. And some don’t want to involve religion in this but it should be involved. Religion is a part of life(if you’re atheist, I don’t know what to say to you). Religion SHOULD be applied but the problem is it isn’t. And one of you mentioned that it says pork shouldn’t be eaten. That’s true it SHOULDNT but that’s the problem with some people. They are being too lenient regarding what God has forbid us to do. Also, someone said rules can change over the years and religions may change. Why? Why would that even happen? You don’t change a religion on the basis that ‘times are changing’. Anyways, this conversation is going off topic. Also, a person is affected by what the learn at a young age. And countries, especially the western world, have taught it at schools and have freedom to something that shouldn’t have been given freedom to do. Because why should people change a predetermined rule set by God a long time ago. Also, you might say that it makes them happy or whatever, but you can’t just do whatever you want. That’s not how life SHOULD work. America and Europe have given far too much freedom to do what you want and just because something makes you ‘happy’ doesn’t mean that it should be done. I could say that certain ‘substances’ or smoking or other illicit activities can make me happy but that’s wrong. Same as this. And LGBTQ is a normal thing for the western world because they grew up with the fact that it’s allowed. I know that this is a ‘safe place’ for people who feel like this but please try to understand that this isn’t right. You might not agree but religion IS everything and there are rules you should adhere to.

@Malware_Trojan The rules of religion have, ultimately, been changed. If you're saying religion should truly be applied, are you saying that we should reestablish slavery, too? There are many Christian passages that state that slavery is morally okay. Or would you decide not to, because western countries have told you that it is bad, and people are being genuinely harmed? There are many other rules that are neglected in modern religion because the times have changed, do your research. Timothy 2:12 "I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet" states that women cannot be teachers, but recent accomplishments in feminism have allowed them to apply for pretty much whatever job they'd like.

Corinthians 11:5 says "But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head—it is the same as having her head shaved" and yet many Christian women do not wear any sort of head covering.

Corinthians 11:4 says "Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head." and yet I have seen many men at church who wear head coverings like hats or hoods while praying.

I'll put other things you might want to follow in a spoiler, because there's far too many, and you seem to be very keen on religion!



Many rules in popular modern religion have shifted to fit the standards of modern society's morality. I could go on and on about how people use religion as an excuse to shame what they don't understand and encourage what they like, but I'll move onto the next point.

You stated you're a minor, so I don't blame you for being so easily deluded by hateful and ignorant ideologies, just like what you've been saying. I wouldn't be surprised if you adopted these ideologies off social media after seeing homophobic and hateful posts. I was once like you, too.

You didn't have any counters for my previous points, so I'll assume that you already know that homosexuality is a natural occurence in many animals, and that you also did not respond to my point regarding the hypothetical situation in which your best friend is a homosexual—so I'll assume you'll also throw him aside with disgust. You also did not comment on how your prejudices are immoral, so I'll assume now that you, perhaps, are following religion without thought, and thus I'm sure typing all of this out will be pointless to you, because you may be reading this with your eyes open but your mind and heart closed.

I myself can say that LGBTQ+ is condoned by many people in the west because they have developed awareness to the situation of the LGBTQ+, its history, its development over the years and its sudden discrimination. Older gays lived in a time in which homosexuality was strongly discriminated against, and had to learn to accept themselves, and not through social media or "growing up with the fact that it's allowed". It wasn't. They were discriminated, hurt, bullied, abused, and disowned, simply for loving someone. How would you feel if you loved someone (in your case, of opposite sex), and got beat up, abandoned, mocked, and disowned by your family simply by them knowing you loved her?

Oh, and did you know that homosexuality existed far before even Christianity?

In ancient Greece, homosexual relationships were condoned and even normal amongst even the most masculine of men. In ancient Rome, it was the same thing, with the added condition that it was fine as long as they were "dominant". In feudal Japan (roughly the Edo period), homosexuality was also normalized between samurai and their younger apprentices. And my personal favorite, imperial China, in which the term "cut sleeve", for homosexuals, originated because of the sweet story of an emperor who did not want to awake his sleeping male lover who was resting on his sleeve, and thus cut it so that he would not wake up so soon. Just a little fun fact to lighten the mood. It's one of my favorite little tales.

So back to you saying religion is everything. Define what you mean by religion. Are you only speaking of the most popular religions? If so, your logic is severely flawed and I'd like you to seriously rethink your ideology. If you're speaking of every single known and recognized religion (not just Christianity, Islam, and Judaism), then, pray tell, why are you only applying the ideologies that benefit your ignorance?

Gays are humans too. Queers are humans too. Lesbians are humans too. Bisexuals are humans too. Aromantics are human too. Asexuals are humans too. Transgenders are humans too. Or did you forget, because you were so focused on convincing yourself that someone's label is wrong? It's a little silly to me, really, but you could be nine for all I care, so I'm glad to open your eyes to other perspectives.

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I read what you had to say and the I’ll talk about the quotes from he religious books first. I’m not a Christian so I don’t know what to say regarding the Bible but the quotes from the Quran, you misunderstood.

Surah Al-Baqarah 2:282 It states CLEARLY that there should be two women should be present in case there isn’t one man available because if one of the women makes a mistake, the other will correct the first woman.

Surah An-Nur 24:2 It says this in the Quran but also says that it is better to forgive.

Surah An-Nisa 4:34 First of all it’s a ‘final resort’ and that’s only when the wife becomes SO disobedient that they become evil. Also, there has been no instance of this final resort being used among the prophets or religious people mentioned in the Quran.

Surah Al-Tawbah 9:29 This surah was revealed at a time of war against the disbelievers and the tyrants who were fighting the Muslims. And this tax was on all non Muslims living in Muslim territory and were offered the tax in return for protection at a time of war against a common enemy. And the Muslims would do charities and giveaways with money or valuables that costed more than the tax itself.

I agree that the rules of religion seem to be changing, but only how the rules are interpreted in their respective countries. They are becoming too lenient. Yes I may have used harsh words at my first text, but I’ll try to speak more respectfully. I know that they are human and that’s exactly why I’m trying to warn you and telling you why LGBTQ isn’t, in my opinion and in a religious view, not right

I haven’t got these ideologies from social media, just the opposite. There have been too many videos of homosexuality on the internet and this didn’t feel right. If my religion(Islam) prohibited it, and the religions that are most similar to it(Christianity and Judaism) why were people doing this. I know it might seem natural to people but in my opinion it isn’t.

I knew exactly that homosexuality existed before Islam as well but that’s the problem. They were punished for their deeds. For example, the people of Lot/Lut (different in Quran and Bible) were a tribe of homosexuality. They were then sent Prophet Lut to guide them but they didn’t listen. After trying to get them to correct their ways, God punishes the people who continued to sin with a shower of stones of clay and saved the few people who believed Prophet Lut. I’m not agreeing with the violence against homosexuality, only with the correction of it.

You also said that in the hypothetical instance that my friend was homosexual, I would try to correct him by advising him and telling him why that shouldn’t be correct. I know I was acting hateful in my first remark and I apologize strongly and will try to speak more respectfully. Regarding the aromantic and asexual, I was referring to only the attraction of the same gender(I didn’t realize aromantic and asexual and the others were LGBTQ). Please try to understand that the only reason I’m basing this on religion alone is because if God tells you to do something or warns you that something isn’t right, you should not find any reason to not do what God commanded you to do, in this case regarding gay or lesbian. And I know that you might be having prejudice against Islam on the basis of some terrorists being so called “Muslims” but read what I have to say with an open mind.

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I apologise for my first post being hateful and bullying in my first post when I brought this up and would like to ask forgiveness to anyone I have bothered or been rude against. Hopefully, we can try to have a respectful debate or discussion as to our beliefs in this matter.

Dude, this is supposed to be a safe place. So you're saying that I can't date men as a Christian?

It's ridiculous I know, I went to a Christian church once for a school trip and they mentioned that a none Christian can't date a Christian

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What if someone *isn’t* religious? I’m an atheist. Do you also hate people of other religions because they don’t follow yours specifically?

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Hi! So i did religious studies for like 5 years. I'm also bi :)

First of all, why would you care what others do? If you are doing what you believe is right then good for you! No need to get in other peoples business.

And anyway, religion does not dictate attraction. People can't just stop being gay because they believe god would not allow it. Now I don't know much about islam i mainly learnt christianity but one of my friends is a muslim and while she cannot support LGBTQ+ people she is still friends with me and treats us with kindness.

If a man likes a woman it's okay because it is how god intended? In Greek mythology many gods were homosexual or queer and religions like Christianity took influence from that.

Personally I'm agnostic, but I would think that any god that 'created' would not hate their creation for who they are attracted to.

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Thank you, Mika. Also, how was your religious studies?

I loved religious studies and I wish I could continue with it for college but I don't have space for it :(

Btw having homosexual tendencies isn't a 'western' or human thing. It's observed in lots of species like penguins. It's been seen in 261 mammalian species :) Quite a natural thing don't u think?

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Awesome!! Good for the animals!

Question, is there any way to actually contact a Mod about this guy 'technically' or 'borderline' online bullying? Since this supposed to be a safe place, not a place to judge us; let alone talk about religious beliefs on LGBTQ+

Like I'm starting to not even want to be in this thread because of this guy.